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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The Bluestocking is open for business

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PricklyBall · 16/10/2017 21:02

I've scrolled back a few pages and I can't even find the last pub thread.

So I've taken the beer towels off the pumps, tapped a new barrel, polished the glasses, fed the goat and applied brasso to the patriarchy busting canon.

Come and join me - all tastes catered for - beer, gin, wine, cocktails, coffee and a nice cup of tea.

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PricklyBall · 16/10/2017 23:07

I may have been rather notorious for that in my days behind the student bar... giving "half pint" top-ups to people who had half an inch of beer left in the bottom of a pint glass (innocent face).

And it's a lock-in, pax. I may go to bed, but I'll leave the bar open.

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NoLoveofMine · 16/10/2017 23:07

PricklyBall I'll try my best not to. If I start singing I'll understand if you chuck me out though Grin

AssignedPerfectAtBirth · 16/10/2017 23:07

Night Rufus, me too I think and will try not to think about DM. Shudders

I don't watch horror films for a reason. Please don't make me not look at MN FWR!

PricklyBall · 16/10/2017 23:08

Guiness coming up, Rain. I'll put a shamrock on top and everything.

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VoleClock · 16/10/2017 23:08

Hello everyone! I'm a bit lost. I am not a parent but a friend suggested I might be able to reconnect with my inner feminist here... I have just been reading some of the other threads and feel quite depressed - a large G&T might help?

paxillin · 16/10/2017 23:11

Lock in you say?

Ale please. Been a rough few days on MN.

PricklyBall · 16/10/2017 23:16

Large G&T for Vole, pint of Black Sheep for pax (or do you prefer hoppy southern stuff?)

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ErrolTheDragon · 16/10/2017 23:17

All feminists welcome at the Bluestocking, vole.

Strictly decaf tea for me at this time of night.

paxillin · 16/10/2017 23:26

Black sheep is good, thanks. I believe it is decaf, Errol.

WitchBitchHarpyTerfThatsMe · 16/10/2017 23:36

A pint of gin and tonic please. plus a piriton and a dairy lea and crisp buttie. Fuck it's been a horrible few weeks.

However . . . I do think that recently there's been an upsurge in people getting the trans dominating the agenda stuff and, awful as it is, the prevalence of women and girls' sexual abuse and harassment is finally getting some much needed media attention.

WitchBitchHarpyTerfThatsMe · 16/10/2017 23:39

Welcome Vole. As you can probably see we're all a bit knackered. however this is an excellent place for re-connecting with your feminist younger self. Brush the dust off her, sit her down and I promise she'll be enraged but re-charged within the hour.

Nonibaloni · 16/10/2017 23:41

Can I sneak in for a whiskey? Been a hell of month and got a women I STEM thing tomorrow, always come away equal parts uplifted and depressed.

ErrolTheDragon · 16/10/2017 23:45

dairy lea and crisp buttie sounds awesome ... Envy I have no junk food in the house since DD offed to become, perhaps, an actual bluestocking.

I'm tempted by Black Sheep, I used to live in the part of Yorkshire where that and its relative Old Peculier hail from.

BeyondNoone · 16/10/2017 23:51

Yo wims!

Yay, a new pub you know, I rather fancy a mudslide, haven't had one for aaages. In RL I have zero ingredients so a virtual one will have to do

Hi vole, welcome to mn :)

badbadhusky · 16/10/2017 23:54

I slipped out from Shady Pines and need to get back before Nurse Ratchet notices I'm not there. Can I please have a double spiced rum and coke?

The news has been properly depressing of late. Had a proper ranty moan at DH about it earlier. He hates it all too.

WitchBitchHarpyTerfThatsMe · 17/10/2017 00:03

Errol pm me with your address and I'll send you a red cross parcel of dairy lea and crisps (got to be cheese and onion though)!

I am so educated, enraged and re-booted thanks to MN recently. I'm exhausted but re-charged.

AssignedPerfectAtBirth · 17/10/2017 00:21

Mumsnet rocks. Seriously. I would still be floundering and wondering WTF was going on but for MN.

BitterLittlePoster · 17/10/2017 01:19

Can I have a pint of your fanciest small batch special micro brew? Not the kind with oysters or mango or kiwi though, please. That's kid stuff.

I'll sit quietly in the corner because I've been a lurker until recently and I feel like I know a lot of you but you won't know me.

ftw · 17/10/2017 01:20

I'll just squeeze in here...

My feminism is being challenged by my most coveted ambition currently being to be a SAHM. This does not sit easy with me or the bank manager.

I'll have a merlot, ta. (Though I'm actually in Black Sheep country so I could wave to ErrolPast.)

CocoaIsGone · 17/10/2017 06:53

Morning coffee for me, I will put the kettle on

I wrote a long post about sexual violence and deleted it, as it was too depressing and I am struggling with it all. It is too depressing.

So I am going to respond to ftw instead. Bearing in mind it is pre-caffeine, so it might not make sense. I don’t think being a SAHM is not a feminist choice, because materialist feminists in the early twentieth century fought long and hard on women’s issues, including family allowances, antenatal care, maternity provision and access to contraception and family planning. So, there is nothing anti-feminist about being a mother, and wanting to spend one’s time being a mother.

The feminist issues come around the protections you have in that role. While earlier materialist feminists argued for state protection of mothers, these arguments were less prominent in the later twentieth century, where the issues were around greater access to equality in the workplace, self-sufficiency and so on. The problem, if you like, is that the workplace assumes a worker without family commitments, or with appropriate support systems, whilst society more generally does not recognise the unpaid labour of these (oftentimes female) support systems. Because the labour is unpaid and unregulated, the home worker is vulnerable.

On the other hand, even though women are more in the workplace, ‘mothering’ has got more intensive from the moment of (ideally planned) conception onwards. So women who work are doing this intensive mothering thing, whilst trying to be the traditional unencumbered worker, and it is exhausting. The rhetoric of work-life balance puts it on the individual’s shoulders, rather than assuming state or societal responsibility to change it.

So, yes, totally understand wanting to be a SAHM, but with protections in place. But personally, my ideal would be part-time work, with both paid and unpaid labour valued.

Yep, I am the pub bore, sorry🤦🏻‍♀️. Coffee is there if anyone wants it Brew

CocoaIsGone · 17/10/2017 06:55

Materialist= maternalist

SomeDyke · 17/10/2017 08:11

I've got some old leaflets from the Wages for Housework days....
Lager top for me please! Any twiglets?

CocoaIsGone · 17/10/2017 08:15

Any chance of scanning them and sending me a copy, if I PM my email?

PricklyBall · 17/10/2017 09:10

Hot chocolate at this time of day, I think. (Though glad to see overall approval for Black Sheep as my choice of draft - I will of course lay on some carefully chosen and non-poncey craft beers.)

Cocoals is right - motherhood is (or should be) valued by any feminist worth the name. The caveat of course comes that within a patriarchal society, you need to take very careful steps to protect yourself financially if you go down that route - not because there's anything wrong with being a SAHM, but because the patriarchy doesn't value it (except perhaps indirectly as a means to control women).

Mmm, can see why you felt sexual violence was too depressing a topic. One of the reasons I resurrected the pub was 'cos I was feeling depressed after work. My workplace is pretty lovely, but a colleague (who's away on business) got hit on by a customer (from a respectable company too - one big enough to have anti-harrassment policies and an HR department) and we're picking up the pieces. I mean, Harvey Weinstein is all over the news, and you still think it's okay to behave that way? Arsewipe.

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BertrandRussell · 17/10/2017 09:15

I am fascinated by the uneasy relationship feminism has always had with motherhood. When I was young and dinosaurs roamed the earth, the only passing nod we made towards children was that there should be 24 hour childcare available to all. I think we imagined some vaguely kibbutz-like arrangement staffed by who knew who-we never thought that far.

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