Boys can enter girls' dormitories at state boarding school

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www.thetimes.co.uk/article/transgender-boys-to-board-withgirls-at-gordons-school-qrllwztm3

"Gordon’s School in Woking, Surrey, is drawing up guidance for pupils saying they can ask to wear the uniform of the opposite sex, be addressed by a different name and/or pronouns, use gender-neutral ­lavatories, grow their hair long if they are boys, change their accommodation and wear make-up and jewellery."

Note that the uniform policy says:

www.gordons.surrey.sch.uk/uniform

"Make-up and nail varnish are both not allowed. This includes all make-up.
Girls are only allowed one earring in the lobe of each ear – no other piercings are allowed. With the exception of the above rule, jewellery is not allowed."

So it appears they are allowing make-up in order to cater for boys who want to dress up as girls. Line edited by MNHQ

"The school said it had acted because it had “become aware of students who would ‘come out’ after leaving the school”. It wanted pupils to feel safe to do so while still in their care."

Being safe obviously means allowing boys to sleep in the girls dormitories which are supposed to be safe spaces for girls who may be thousands of miles from their parents (most boarders are army children).

"The Boarding Schools’ Association has issued guidance to schools saying that if a boy intends to change gender he should be offered the chance to sleep in the girls’ dormitory and vice versa."

"Not all parents are happy about such changes. On Friday, parents at Highgate, a coeducational London private day school, received a letter from the head teacher, Adam Pettitt, apologising for the introduction of gender-neutral lavatories. Some younger pupils, he admitted, had felt “less comfortable and happy at school” as a result.

Highgate brought in the lavatories “to support gender-fluid pupils”, only for parents to ask if the change was “proportionate” given how few such students were at the school."

"I stongly feel the need for a gender dysphoria diagnosis, to protect innocent females, males and trans people from criminals"

But it's just woo. There's no blood test. A rapist can present as gender dysphoric, and it's very common for sex offenders to do so.

I dont think women and girls should have to share with men or boys

I think trans girls should be allowed to shared with girls

Those two statements contradict each other. Transgirls are boys.

@temp

Then you're in for a nasty shock because feeling strongly that there should be a diagnosis of gender disphoria makes you a TERF

Sentimental It would be great if people could be what they like. Men wearing a skirt and being happy as a man who likes wearing a skirt. A girl with a skin head with a passion for JCBs! Great, I am all for that.

However TRAs (who I deal with regularly) regect those ideas and fetishise what is to be a woman (or man - my exeprience I mostly with trans women). Further keeping people in need boxes with the use of gender.

Gender is balls.

Also Temp a lot of transgirls don't bloody want to use girls spaces. I bloody well didn't. What do you suggest we do in that situation? Ignore what they want and make them use the girls spaces anyway?

@breichon

I know they do, that was the point of my post

Typos galore from me.

I may have had a glass of wine haha!
Sorry Sentimental

I was saying we are fighting in the wrong direction meaning we should be looking to smash gender all together.

@briechon

So now you are argueing to get rid of gender? To erase societies constructions of male and female. So we will have gender neutral names, clothes, toys, toilets, changing rooms etc. Unless another person is your sexual partner you are going to have no idea if they have a penis or a vagina.
This would be a great way to live.

Yes, that's exactly what we're fighting for.
I mean we won't all have to wear grey and stop wearing skirts or baking or playing sports it would just be that those things would be 'boy' things and 'girl' things but just things that different personalities choose.

TempStamos

A man with gender dysphoria is not a woman. There is no such thing as a female brain in a male body. Science does not support this. Transactivists have done a number. Science cannot tell the difference between a male and female brain.

There is no medical test for gender dysphoria, other than what the person says. It is a horrible condition. But it doesn't mean you can change sex. Sex is not determined by your brain. It is determined by your biology.

There is no such thing as 'feeling' like a woman, unless it relates to biology.

I know you need to be kind and inclusive. But think, for a minute.

Instead of telling our children they can be who they want, wear what they like and become anything, we are telling them that there are certain rules and behaviours that apply to men and others that apply to women. And if you step outside of that it must mean you're the opposite sex.

So a boy can't display stereotypical feminine behaviour. Because if he does, it must mean he's a girl. Which means stereotypical feminine behaviour is for girls. And only girls. Women, get back into your box. And label that 'feminine'.

It also directly erases homosexuality. A man who thinks he's a woman, has a lady penis. Lesbians are being called bigoted for not considering a man with a penis as a sexual partner, on the basis of their female identity.

Google cotton ceiling. It's appalling. Lesbians are being persecuted everywhere for their sexual orientation. By men.

Funnily enough, transmen are not persecuting gay men. Because the power dynamic doesn't work that way. Men predate on women, not the other way round. However they identify.

I know you're trying to be as accommodating as possible. And I'm sure your trans friends are perfectly lovely. There are many trans-people, like a curry on here, who have no intention of discomforting women, or claiming that they are actually biological women. But many are. I urge you to do some research.

By the way to tag someone, you just cut-and-paste the name. If you're on a phone just hold your finger down on the word press copy and then paste.

In this situation where children are concerned I can almost garuntee for the child to be allowed by the school to indentify as their gender not their sex, their will be involvement and cooperation with the trans childrens parents, doctors and therapists.

Did you see my post outbreaks about the guides? There is no need whatsoever for the involvement of doctors there, a biological male can skip off quite happily to guide camp and share a tent with the females. GirlguidingUK is a huge organisation who I am sure took legal advice before changing their policy. What makes schools different? What higher standard will they be held to that the guides wouldn't be? Particularly when the proposed changes to the GRA come into play.

Not changing rooms though because sex would still exist.

Temp

I gain nothing from the gender society views me as. I'm a woman because I'm an adult, female human.

"So now you are argueing to get rid of gender? To erase societies constructions of male and female. So we will have gender neutral names, clothes, toys, toilets, changing rooms etc."

Toilets and changing rooms are separated by sex, not gender. Other things may be separated by sex also, such as sport.

Gender neutral is not saying that men will split 50/50 between dresses and trousers, but rather that if a man wants to wear a dress then it doesn't mean he is no longer a man.

Yes, dispense with gender.

Anyone can wear pink, blue, dungarees, evening dresses. Anyone can wear heels, make up. Anyone can sport three-piece suits, wield power tools and drive trucks.

But biological sex cannot be changed. But it's the only difference. Women need protection from men, given they commit 98% of sexually violent crime.

And sport. We still need to separate sport. If you mix it, it will only be men who win and women's sport will vanish.

Datun
Perfectly put.
If you want people to live life without the confines of girls like pink and flowers and boys like blue and trucks then it seems bizarre to say "oh well I MUST be a woman because I like dresses and lipstick".
You are a woman because your body sits, physiologically within specific parameters not because of your fashion, music, career or hobby tastes.

Temp toilets and changing rooms are and have always been gender neutral as they are segregated by sex rather than gender. Masculine women use women's facilities and feminine men use men's facilities. Gender doesn't come into it.

Temp
I don't think you're understanding the difference between sex and gender.

I do suspect that if we got rid of gender the rate of male violence would go down too making it a far safer world.

Temp why do you think that getting rid of gender is bad? Why do you think that toys and clothes being gender neutral bad? It shouldn't matter if a boy likes pink or wants to play with dolls. He should be allowed to do that without having people think it's strange or think there's something wrong with him.

Male and female = sex

Masculine and feminine = gender

That should do it.

OrderMeACurry

So you are trans? Im sorry i dont see if you mentioned female/male.
But you use the bathroom of your biological sex.
Are you agreeing with the previous posts that you only identify as trans in order to conform to gender stereotypes, do you not actually feel as if your gender and sex dont correlate?
Im confused.