Woman attacked by transactivists at speakers corner - part deux

[BeyondNoone]

Here's the link to thread one
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/3033126-London-meeting-to-discuss-Gender-Identity-attacked-by-transactivists

I'm just going to sleep, if someone else can add the news links for me please? Thanks :)

Bad bad - I can't find it ok iplayer, I've been scooting forwards and backwards around that time and only found bits on Merkel?

*on iplayer

The Sun article is good - but then the next article I saw was all about a woman facing jail for having sex in a pizza takeaway - no mention of the man being at fault, and only a mild mention of the fact he's also being prosecuted for assault against her. It's all about her being busty and daring and feeling ashamed. Made me feel a little sick.

The Times and the Sun are from the same stable - News International (Rupert Murdoch)

Ekphrasis It starts at 1:43

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b095psnx

I never thought I'd be looking to The Sun for more balance than The Guardian - more twists and turns than a cobbler's knob!

We are not the only ones who are trying to stop this.

Greece is having the same problem and the UK are being cited as a road to NOT go down.

Women everywhere are being trodden down. This feels like some awful turning point in history, that future generations of females will either be relieved about or aghast over.

www.ipetitions.com/petition/dont-erase-women-open-letter-to-the-greek

I like the last sentence in that Greek piece to politicians - If you are not sure what a woman is please ask your mother.

We have seen the results of putting transgender-identified males in to women’s prisons. Several of the more infamous cases, such as the Soham murderer, Ian Huntley, involve males who have been convicted of the rape and murder of women and girls.
I wish that Greek petition had left Huntley out of it. He isn't in a women's prison. There is no solid evidence that he considers himself transgender. Talking bollocks casts doubts on the other evidence they offer, and that's unfortunate.

Huntley' name has appeared on a few threads. Is there any truth to this? Is he claiming this?

All the stories I've seen about Huntley come via other prisoners. Apparently he wishes to be called Lian in prison and referred to as she.

But it seems a common theme amongst violent prisoners to do anything to call attention to themselves. I suppose you'd get extra therapy and make up and maybe privacy in the bathroom.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/2618005/twisted-double-killer-ian-huntley-wants-sex-change-paid-for-by-the-nhs-so-he-can-spend-life-in-womens-prison/amp/

I guess if the self id proposals come in then there would be nothing to lose as you wouldn't have to convince a doctor, or take hormones or have any surgery.

Yes, I know the Sun reported it as 'is alleged to be saying', but all the same, he is not a notorious example of someone now in a women's prison. They could have used Martin Ponting/Jessica Wingfield, a rapist who actually is in a women's prison.

A high profile name like Huntley would grab attention though, wouldn't it?

It would and does, but it's a straw man. Having one bit of your argument that's so easy to shoot down makes the rest of it less effective. And they could just have rephrased a bit to make it accurate.

I'm with Lancelottie. It seems that we could be on the verge of a mass delusion lifting in some parts. This could mean a fair number of people wanting to find out the facts from the gender-critical side. Now is the time to be ultra-careful about not including any truthy-looking facts that can easily be shot down as fake news.

Thanks rum. I'm very surprised the research was denied.

Not sure if I’ve got the right thread, but I thought I saw someone asking about the group Womens Place UK somewhere here in fem chat earlier today. Anyway, they’ve just tweeted this launch statement:

https://twitter.com/womansplacee_uk/status/912376188420714498

Looks pretty good to me!

This is a quote from an earlier source on this thread
"The GRA requires us to destroy any records which link the patients old identity with the new identity "
Is this correct? Is it all records - including records of criminality or offences?

Try looking up Martin Ponting.

He's a father of three, paedophile rapist, behind bars.

His dead name brings up no criminal, trial or sentencing history on Google, but his new name, Jessica Winton will bring up recent nees reports.

Jessica has moved prison twice due to sexual advances/assault on her fellow prisoners.

Ginger I think it's Jessica Winfield.

Jess Bradley and the NUS have helpfully “reframed” the events at Speaker’s Corner for us -

www.nusconnect.org.uk/articles/there-is-nothing-radical-or-feminist-about-transphobia

OMG!! Thanks, YesVeryGoodVeryStrong. I'll get it changed.