Woman attacked by transactivists at speakers corner - part deux

[BeyondNoone]

Here's the link to thread one
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/3033126-London-meeting-to-discuss-Gender-Identity-attacked-by-transactivists

I'm just going to sleep, if someone else can add the news links for me please? Thanks :)

Brilliant post, Pencils. Absolutely brilliant.

A bit more footage, filmed by the transactivists:

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Well that's as clear as day. Hope that's been shared with the police too.

That clip looks like it was taken from the side the TRAs were on. I wonder if it was filmed by one of them. Maybe the subsequent violence changes some minds.

Maybe the subsequent violence changes some minds.

No, they are just reviewing the attack 'to improve tactics'.

www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/comments/73tgpd/you_will_need_to_recruit_cis_women_willing_to/

2017, the year where you can produce milk and feed babies from your chest and where you have to refer to pregnant women as pregnant people so as to include any pregnant men This thread is frustrating and hilariously scary in equal measures. I'm out.

Maybe the subsequent violence changes some minds.

Pity if so. It would be like changing your mind on homosexual issues and rights because of the specific individuals who, say, called for Melanie Phillips to be killed after she was critical. The intrinsic rights and wrongs of a side not being determined by the extremer actions of some individuals on one side of the fence.

2017, the year where you can produce milk and feed babies from your chest and where you have to refer to pregnant women as pregnant people so as to include any pregnant men

This is only a consideration when speaking about entire groups for which there are no guarantees that only non-trans females are being referred to. I don't think anyone has ever said that you cannot refer to specific, non-trans pregnant or breastfeeding women with these terms.

I've gone from a position of being so open and inclusive to all to never wanting to hear the word "trans" ever again. I'm sick to death of the whole self indulgent nonsense.

That's not a true equivalence JAPAB. A more accurate comparison would be if individuals first called for Melanie Phillips to be killed or otherwise hurt, then went ahead and commited that violence. Then high profile groups and individuals not only refused to condemn the threats of violence but also excused and applauded it whilst using anti-woman slurs.

I've gone from a position of being so open and inclusive to all to never wanting to hear the word "trans" ever again. I'm sick to death of the whole self indulgent nonsense.

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Me too, Twenty years ago I wouldn't have seen what the problem was. Now it's all too clear.

Me three. I've got gender fatigue.

Yes totally hacked off with all this and just want it to go away now. However I did overcome my intense boredom and irritation with the subject to write to my MP today using the outline provided by A Woman’s Place to demand legislative protections. Do think about doing the same if you can: link here

I've written to mine also. Just got a load of guff back. Toeing the party line. Not sure any of them are able to think independently unfortunately.

I also wrote a letter to Jeremy Corbyn asking him when he was going to start standing up for women's rights. Weirdly I got the exact same letter back from him so it must just be a copy and paste job to anybody who writes to labour raising any issues about gender identity.

I've gone from a position of being so open and inclusive to all to never wanting to hear the word "trans" ever again. I'm sick to death of the whole self indulgent nonsense.

Same here, although I don't feel I can afford to just be sick to death of it as it is such a threat to women. Also it's very much in my real life already (so I'm someone who can already see its impact, although I think this will start to be the case for more and more people).

Tbh, I don't think my position has fundamentally changed - but what trans means has changed, the kind of people who are identifying as trans has massively changed and the 'agenda' has massively changed (if there really was one before). There are still the traditional transsexuals (people with dysmorphia who just want to get on with their life) but there are massive numbers of other people (some violent, disturbed, predatory, extremely misogynist) who have jumped on board and taken over (both the trans and the wider LGBT movement) - but use examples of problems faced by actual transsexuals to advance a different agenda all together.

Rumandraisin you've nailed it at 'Wed 04-Oct-17 22:16:54'.

I was very supportive until I realised that trans gender women felt they were just like any other women and entitled to force me to call myself cis.

Rumandraisin1

Tbh, I don't think my position has fundamentally changed - but what trans means has changed, the kind of people who are identifying as trans has massively changed and the 'agenda' has massively changed

This video analyses the meaning of the word transgender, as put forward by all the trans organisations. And exposes the fact that the definition is meaningless.

Magdelen Berns, for anyone who isn't familiar with her, is very incisive in her analysis of trans issues. She was thrown out of her LGBT society at Edinburgh university for saying she wouldn't sleep with a transwoman, because she is a lesbian.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=lVgychW1YPQ

busyboysmum I just got a letter from my MP (Diane Abbott) in response to an email I sent her about the Speakers Corner violence - so a long wait for a reply! I am quite pissed off as she starts off "Thank you for taking the time to write to me about Trans Rights" ! I wasn't actually, I was writing about a woman being beaten up by transactivists! In face, the whole letter is badly written, jumbled nonsense. I know she doesn't write the letters herself and I hope her thoughts are rather more coherent.

This is what I got back:

Many thanks for getting in touch about equality issues.

Labour is the party of equality. We believe that no-one should be left behind. To achieve that, the next Labour Government will build a Britain for the many, a more equal and tolerant society that treats people of all backgrounds with dignity and respect.

Under the Tories, progress is being rolled back for women, disabled people, LGBT people and BAME communities.

Policies introduced by the Conservatives have turned the clock back on gender equality. Our challenge now must be to build on Labour’s past achievements and push for full equality for women: financially, in the workplace, in families and homes, online and in public spaces. A Labour Government will gender audit all policy and legislation for its impact on women before implementation.

Labour will champion the rights of disabled people. We will reverse Tory changes to Personal Independence Payments and scrap the Tories’ unfair and counterproductive sanctions regime. We will ensure disabled people get the support they need by scrapping Work Capability Assessments and replacing them with fairer, more personal support.

The last Labour Government did more for LGBT equality than any other government in British history and the next Labour Government won’t stop fighting for LGBT equality. We will build on our history of championing LGBT rights, tackling homophobia wherever it occurs.

Labour will work every day for a fairer society, where every person is enabled to get on in life, regardless of race, faith or ethnicity. We will implement a comprehensive strategy for racial equality, one that effectively challenges the socio-economic disadvantage many Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic communities suffer.

With Labour, no-one and no community will be left behind. We will strengthen legislation around equal pay and tackle the barriers that stop women, BAME communities, LGBT and disabled people from reaching their full potential.

Only Labour will create a fairer, more equal society where whatever your background, wherever you are from, you have the means and opportunity to fulfil your potential.

Best wishes,
George
Membership Services and Correspondence
The Labour Party

It didn't answer a single one of my points. No one.

This was my original letter:

I am writing to you Jeremy as a champion of women's rights. I think you are strong and principled and must be able to clearly see the dangers of this proposed Gender Recognition Bill. I know that you previously have recognised the dangers that women face in their daily lives in public places. How much more dangerous would our lives become if any man with a fully functioning penis who chooses to identify as a woman to gain access to our changing rooms, toilets, shelters, prisons, hospital wards.

This is what you have previously stated:

"It is unacceptable that many women and girls adapt their daily lives in order to avoid being harassed on the street, public transport, and in other public places from the park to the supermarket. This could include taking longer routes to work, having self-imposed curfews or avoiding certain means of transport."

I just don't think that any man with an intact penis should be allowed in these places. How are women ever to feel safe again in these vulnerable situations?

It is never going to be the nice men who abuse this legislation is it? It is going to be the rapists, the abusers, the voyeurs. And we all know that these people exist in our society and that they know full well how to take advantage of any loopholes in the law. This would give full bearded men with intact penises who have not taken any hormones the right to have access to any women only spaces just by self declaring that he feels like a woman. How will we ever feel safe again? How will Muslim women in particular be able to take part in public life?

I appeal to you to see the issues that we women are worrying about. We are over 50% of the population. Are we not to be heard?

I look forward to hearing from you with a reply

What a load of rubbish that letter is, busyboysmum! Even worse than mine from Diane Abbott! It is chillingly like Newspeak - lies repeated often enough start to sound like truth.

My reply to "George" to which I still haven't received a reply:

Thanks George

So what's the gender audit on the Gender Recognition Bill in so far as it affects biologically born women then please?

My take is that it will be so easy for men to claim they feel like they are a woman and then invade women's spaces.

I do think that women will be treated far worse than they are today. Just in general.

If you can't talk about the disadvantage that your sex affords you, that disadvantage becomes accepted.

Trans-women may compete against each other in sport as 'women', and actual women won't be able to compete, or if they do are guaranteed a bottom of the table place. In many sports women don't get the recognition they deserve already, and so it will become an even more male dominated arena than it is now.

There will be regular stories in the press about 'women' attacking other women. Rape and sexual assault will be recorded as being committed by far more females than ever before. And although a lot of people will know that they are men, if it is never reported as such, there will just be an assumption that female crime is on the up, particularly sexually violent crime.

We know that already in prisons there is a disproportionate amount of rapists claiming to be women so they can be considered to be moved to women's prisons where they will have access to the very people their crimes are against.

And pointing these things out will be deleted in below the line comments, online, everywhere, because it will be considered a hate crime.

If enough people are legally recorded as women, who are actually men, health statistics will change. The incidences of female health problems will go down and the funding will be cut.

In fact, statistics generally will be skewed. To women's disadvantage.

Giving men the legal status of women, based on gender identity, means that sex based protections no longer exist.

You will not be able to sue for sex discrimination on the basis of the fact that you are a woman.

Say your company has a diversity quota. Six men and six women on the board. That could be six men and six transwomen. And their diversity quota will be filled.

All the above is happening now but with this new legislation no surgery will be needed, no diagnosis by a doctor, no hormones need be taken. 95% of trans women are in fact fully intact men.

Please respond. I need to know how the party I voted for last election is handling this very important issue. I don't want to be fobbed off with platitudes.

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