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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Why are feminists so aggressive?

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BertrandRussell · 07/09/2017 14:11

This, or something like it, it always being asked. People say that the FWR board on here is scary and hounds out people whose faces don't fit. That women are always being told they can't be feminists if.......And so on. And so on.

In my experiences, you are much more likely to get an aggressive response if you express a feminist point of view than the other way round. Is it just me? Or am I missing something?

There have been plenty of interesting feminists threads recently, where everyone seems to be holding their own- but the same old accusations keep coming up.

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zebrasdontwearbras · 19/09/2019 00:40

*That was was obviously very aggressive of me to say so.

How dare us aggressive feminists point out that more men beat the shit out of women, and kill women, than the other way round?

LordRandallXV · 19/09/2019 04:59

A survey conducted by polling 1,104students (706 women and 398 men)at a university is hardly representative of the population of men and women.

I've seen plenty of feminists citing studies on sexual assault on campus - including the original '1 in 5' study for which the authors said it 'probably shouldn't be used as evidence' as most of the women classed as being 'raped' didn't actually know it themselves (included something like having regretted it afterwards).

StopThePlanet · 19/09/2019 06:45

LordRandallXV

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TheProdigalKittensReturn · 19/09/2019 06:50

Why do men find it satisfying wandering from one feminist site to another trotting out the same arguments? Is the pleasure in thinking that they're forcing us to listen to them (they're not, most of us scroll past their copypasta)? Do they have a kind for arguments in which bored, irritated women sigh at them? It really is the strangest hobby.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 19/09/2019 06:51

A kink rather. None of them seem to have a kind anything. A Kinder egg, maybe.

StopThePlanet · 19/09/2019 07:04

They think they make us angry 🤣.

I'm never surprised when emotionally unintelligent individuals confuse indifference for anger... I mean that's what narcissists do, right?

I'm done amusing myself for the evening the transparency has become boring.

Catch ya on the flip!

bd67th · 19/09/2019 13:22

feminists citing studies on sexual assault on campus

To talk about the prevalence of sexual assault on campus, surely? If I want to talk about the prevalence of off-campus sexual offending, I would use studies about off-campus offending.

most of the women classed as being 'raped' didn't actually know it themselves

It is distressingly commonplace, both amongst rapists [1] and victims, not to use the word "rape" to describe acts that meet the criminal definition of the word [2]. A woman who tells her husband no but he puts his dick in her anyway is unlikely to describe him as a rapist nor herself as a rape victim, nonetheless he is a rapist and she has been raped. He is unlikely to describe himself as a rapist because of commonly-held, and legally-unsupported since 1992, beliefs about rape within established relationships.

Studies are designed to measure whether men have actually raped, not whether they label themselves rapists nor whether their victims label themselves as raped. Asking questions that describe events and behaviours, instead of labelling them as "rape" without further description, is by design to get accurate results.

Footnotes:

[1] If a survey asks men, for example, if they ever "had sexual intercourse with somone, even though they did not want to, because they were too intoxicated (on alcohol or drugs) to resist your sexual advances," some of them will say yes, as long as the questions don’t use the “R” word.

Emphasis mine.

[2] Section 1: Rape:
(1) A person (A) commits an offence if—
(a) he intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (B) with his penis,
(b) B does not consent to the penetration, and
(c) A does not reasonably believe that B consents.

Note: nowhere does it say "(d) unless B was drinking", "(d) unless A and B" are dating", "(d) unless A is B's husband" etc.

bd67th · 19/09/2019 13:34

1 out of 16 women in the US have a non-consensual (whether through extreme coercion or force)

Or boys just walking up to an eight year old girl and groping her vulva without asking. #metoo

first experience of sex. They reported the average of the age of 15yrs for the survivors (girls/women) and the average rapist/assaulter age for that same group was 27 (boys/men). The overwhelming number of women whose first sexual experience was in the single digits like myself is what drug the average down to 15yrs.

Stoptheplanet Flowers

When men and boys stop this shit, I'll stop objecting stridently. That's what they mean by "being aggressive": strident objection to male violence and entitlement.

Creepster · 19/09/2019 22:11

When men and boys stop this shit, I'll stop objecting stridently. That's what they mean by "being aggressive": strident objection to male violence and entitlement.
I think that is an accurate assessment of the accusation of aggression against Feminists.
I notice they do not call us shrill so much any more. Perhaps because "The Shrill One" was made into a joke by Nobel Prize in Economics winner Paul Krugman.

zebrasdontwearbras · 20/09/2019 01:21

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p07ctvvn/a-high-school-rape-goes-viral-roll-red-roll

I just came across this on bbc Iplayer. It's about the very distressing Steubenville rape case. I was very aware of it at the time, but I'd never seen this film, which is excellent.

41 minutes in - is one of the most powerful and moving film sequences I have ever seen. Of women talking about their experiences. Like a mini #MeToo prior to the #MeToo movement.

38 mins in they show the video that Anonymous released, and made this thing viral.

This is why feminists are angry. You can call us aggressive, if you like, but we know why we are angry.

zebrasdontwearbras · 20/09/2019 01:26

41 mins in - to around 46 mins. The emotion is palpable, and extremely brave women in that segment Thanks

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