Why are feminists so aggressive?

[BertrandRussell]

This, or something like it, it always being asked. People say that the FWR board on here is scary and hounds out people whose faces don't fit. That women are always being told they can't be feminists if.......And so on. And so on.

In my experiences, you are much more likely to get an aggressive response if you express a feminist point of view than the other way round. Is it just me? Or am I missing something?

There have been plenty of interesting feminists threads recently, where everyone seems to be holding their own- but the same old accusations keep coming up.

Tequila!

But Inebriati, we haven't been murdered and we're not literally enslaved at this very moment so what do we have to complain about really?

And men also have issues, why aren't feminists talking about those, huh? Huh?

Something something Titanic!

Won't somebody think of the miners??!!

A poster said Self righteousness is never becoming whoever wears it

And was then swatted by

Men are never told to be "becoming"

"Becoming"? Does that request come with a pair of opera gloves and a tiara?

I'm cis northern, mate, we don't do any of that shit where I'm from

"Not becoming/ unbecoming" are frequently used of men and women.

It ill becomes you to assail one who cannot defend himself
Miguel de Cervantes

It accused her of “conductunbecominga federal employee.”
Washington PostSep 11, 2019

His opponents quickly called the comment sexist andunbecomingof a prime minister
New York TimesSep 5, 2019

Internal affairs accused Lynch of “conductunbecomingof an officer” and said he violated orders forbidding employees from speaking to media without authorization
Washington TimesSep 5, 2019

“The president’s comments are shockingly divisive andunbecomingof the occupant of the highest elected office,” said AJC CEO David Harris
ReutersAug 21, 2019

The response to the poster was ill- becoming/ unbecoming/ not becoming or simply dickish.

We're dead and posting from beyond the grave already, mate, it's too late to bore us to death.

But we could always haunt the boring.

And men also have issues, why aren't feminists talking about those, huh? Huh?

Well, considering we always hear how men 'have it easy' I'm not sure that most feminists really believe that men do indeed suffer their own problems.

There are plenty of women who arguably 'have it easy' and leave the full time job to their male partner (apparently this is oppression as obviously all women are desperate to spend their lives in meetings).

We're all dead, remember? No further engagement forthcoming unless revived with booze.

leave the full time job to their male partner

9-5 is a part time job pal.

Looking after a family, that's full time.

I'm not commenting on sahm mums. More on the fact that men are still expected to be 'successful' and a lot of women wouldn't date a financially poor man. It's definitely much more acceptable for a woman to be a receptionist and have a bigshot husband than the other way around, which is likely why men who become SAHD are much more likely to have their partner file for divorce.

Of course, one could argue that it's toxic masculinity but many women still want the successful partner which is of less concern to most guys. One only has to look on dating websites to see modestly employed women demanding 'successful' partners.

so I've got tocked off

• feminists are too angry
• women have it easy
• you haven't personally been murdered/raped/genitally mutilated/subjected to symphesiotomy so what's your problem?

I'm holding out for

• women like tough men
• women chose lower paid work
• women are better suited to staying at home with children
• what about Sweeden, huh, HUH??

Oh look, cross posted with a variation on 'women like tough men'. women heap pressure on men by refusing to date them if they aren't financially successful

I'll call that a partial dab

I'm not commenting on sahm mums

I didn't mention SAHMs.

Of course, one could argue that it's toxic masculinity but many women still want the successful partner

That's got to sting mate, for you. Perhaps you need come councelling to get through it? Is that why you come onto mumsnet and try and tell us how bad men have it?

I do 100% support any initiative that attempts to help either sex with their problems, be it male suicide or VAWG. I just don't think that the 'man bashing' we so often see really helps anything.

I didn't really think about it tbh until I read an article that suggested swapping the words 'man' with another group and it really hit home then. Wouldn't be acceptable to start a thread saying 'I'm starting to hate black people', foe instance, so why is it ok to hate on men? I'm sure people will propose that male violence is the reason, but certain ethnic groups are also more violent than others and yet this doesn't make it socially acceptable to denounce them in the same way as men or discuss it through the lens of class analysis. I'm curious why that is.

SExism probably works all ways, but on average it hurts women a lot more than it hurts men.

FTR, you're doing a pretty good job of proving the point in the OP. 👍

So next up is height, right?

what man bashing is that Randall?

noticing that men commit 80% of violent crime and 98% of sexual offences?

noticing that some whiny men would rather whine than admit that as a class they are a member of the most advantaged group, even if as individuals they may not be more advantaged than other members of different classes?

height

oh yes. I forgot how oppressed short men are due to not being able to have sex with hot women as is their fundamental human right

#sad

And then it will be time to discuss how much better women are in Foreign Parts on account of being more traditional.

and they're happier too kittens. deep down. when they're not being beaten up for letting a strange man see their hair. or prosecuted by the state for having a miscarriage. or being married to a middle aged man before they've reached menarche

deep down, women are much happier when traditional things like that happen to them

There are plenty on ways in which men aren't doing so well but I'd imagine you know them all and have soundbites to answer each. WATM, whataboutery, etc... 😴

If it's so great being a man why is suicide the most common cause of death in males under 50yo?

And I'm sceptical about class analysis. Looking at classes means that the class with 49 homeless men and Bill Gates is considered more 'privileged' than the class of 50 women earning £100k a year, as the former group is wealthier as whole.

The majority of CEOs being men doesn't = the majority of men being Vape.

WTF, somehow 'CEO' became 'vape'. 😂