I am Jazz. ***Trans content. Please do not open if you just want to post insults or whinge about another trans thread***

[CosmicPineapple]

I am Jazz is a reality show focusing on the journey of a teenage transgirl/woman whos parents supported transition from aged 5 and has been on TV since aged 6.
Now aged 16.

I don't watch the show as I strongly disagree with everything about it. However I briefly saw a clip of the next episode as the tv happened to be on the channel that airs I am Jazz I had been watching say yes to the dress and it was about dating.

Jazz goes to a sort of speed dating event where everyone is sat in the dark. Jazz wants a relationship, which is normal for a teenager however Jazz does not tell the boys/men that they are trans and in fact male.
As they are in darkness Jazz feels that if they get to know each other without the barrier of seeing each other/being trans it may lead to a relationship.

For me this is totally wrong.
Why should it be ok for Jazz or anyone to withold the truth about a very important aspect of who they are?
Plus I would imagine there to be some very upset and angry teenage boys when they find out they have been duped and lied to.

I remember a good few years ago where a man killed his partner after finding out on a TV show that they were trans. There have been a few similar murders over the years.
I am in no way condoning the murder or harm of another person I am just highlighting the danger that can come if you lie about the sex you are and it should not be encouraged as no relationship can survive on lies.

I just wondered what other peoples thoughts are on the subject of lying about your sex to the people you date?

Bacterial vaginosis (not sure on spelling) which is an infection.

Scrumplestiltskin

If they are able to use skin from the thigh, do you know why they would ever use part of the colon instead?

Sorry and what is a 'neoclitoris' made from, if not the head of the penis? Would that have any sexual function?

Sorry to bombard you with questions. It's actually quite hard to find unbiased information online.

My heart is breaking for this child. The facts are startling and chilling. Poor child.

The other night it came to me what this all reminds me of: Kingsley Amis wrote a very strange but haunting little book called 'The Alteration' set in a future where the Reformation never happened and a young choir boy is castrated to preserve his wonderful singing voice.

Thank you to all who have posted. The very informative links/info have made me believe even stronger my stance on not transitioning children is right.

And thanks for keeping the thread on topic and not going down the angry trans thread route.

The more I have read about Jazz on this thread the more i feel they have been let down and used as a cash cow and exhibit at a freak show. The parents should be ashamed and held accountable for the life they have pushed Jazz to lead.

To answer a PP's question, there is debate about whether thigh or colon is better to use but as a colon is an internal organ it has properties that make it more suitable in some ways than thigh tissue.

The other thing that is frequently overlooked is that the scarring caused by operating in such a sensitive area can in itself cause further loss of sensation (in the neo clitoris) and further more can lead to permanent pain if surgery doesn't go well or indeed from any number of post surgery complications.

and a young choir boy is castrated to preserve his wonderful singing voice.

That is true, historically. It was made illegal in 1870.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castrato

And thanks for keeping the thread on topic and not going down the angry trans thread route. smile

I am very angry. About the ideology in general. But I see no merit in a slanging match about it.

The problem with the ideology (as it has become) is that it's a belief system. If you believe it, you believe that what has happened to Jazz is a natural extension of it.

But these parents have effectively let their child be castrated, ended his/her sex life before it even began. condemned them to a life of dangerously high hormones and further surgery.

How will Jazz fell about this when s/he is older? I hope s/he sues their rotten manipulative assess off.

JessicaEccles

If Jazz doesn't have a libido, I'm assuming that what he doesn't know about, he won't miss.

That's from his own personal perspective. But I completely agree, that intellectually, he will understand and I shouldn't imagine will be very happy about it.

The thigh doesn't self lubricate, and leaves a nasty scar on the spot it's taken from, and I believe has even less sensation than the colon. It also takes longer to heal and has more potential to have complications
On the other hand, the colon produces too much mucus, has a weird (gross, tbh) odour, and has its own complications also. It's gone out of style amongst trans people these days, and the sort where the scrotum makes up the cavity, and the penile skin the external part, with a glans as a pseudo clitoris, is preferred by most, followed by penile inversion.
The neoclitoris is made from the glans, yeah. But generally it seems that if one was not orgasmic before surgery, one will definitely not be afterwards, what with the reduced amount of tissue that can be stimulated, and the potential nerve damage. Which means Jazz is unlikely to ever orgasm.
God, I know way too much about this shit

God, I know way too much about this shit confused

I, for one, am glad you do!

When you consider that cakes are being baked for children to have a trans coming-out party, it kind of shits all over the concept of it being something to celebrate.

It's often billed as, variously, brave, courageous, aspirational, celebratory and of course, authentic...

When I was prescribed HRT, the GP went on for ages about how it could only be prescribed for a short time and the risk of cancer etc etc,

yet children much much younger will be on these hormones for LIFE. And nobody really knows what impact they will have on their bodies.

Transing children is child abuse.

I agree with this:
'This poor child is being exploited and experimented on, and it's just wrong. I genuinely feel this is child abuse, akin to Munchaussen's by proxy'

and this:

' before all this was a fashionable 'thing', Jazz most likely would have grown into an effeminate gay teenager - absolutely nothing wrong with that - and grown into gay sexuality during adolescence with a dating pool of men finding Jazz very attractive and physically perfect exactly as is'

Can anyone who has watched the programme tell me whether gender dysphoria is mentioned much?

I only saw that one episode but it wasn't mentioned at all
Jazz friends were trans. It all seemed so boring spending their time dreaming about Mr Right and body issues
I wanted to scream at them to live

And talked a lot about the romantic princess type stuff

Apparently he was diagnosed with gender dysphoria when he was three. That's all I can find out. No actual description. He said he liked girl's stuff and when he was three he asked his mother when the fairy was going to wave a magic wand and change his 'genitalia'.

The doctor gave him an anatomically correct girl doll and boy doll asking which one he was, he pointed to the boy, and was asked which one he wanted to be and he pointed to the girl.

I can't believe there isn't more to it than that. But gender dysphoria seem to be quite conspicuous by its absence in the narrative.

Oh, that he was 'persistent, consistent and insistent' on wanting to be a girl. Those are three words that have to be complied with to be considered gender dysphoric.

Christ. Who lets a 3 yo choose the path of their life with consequences that cannot be undone

Does Jazz even know who Jazz is or are they just on this rollercoster with no chance to get off?

CosmicPineapple

Jazz is the trans poster child. Writing books, doing appearances, winning awards. People thank him for saving their life.

Affirmation and encouragement at every turn. Like a self perpetuating loop.

I can't help thinking that the TV show and publicity is like that Made in Chelsea show where everything looks idyllic and gorgeous and something to which to aspire.

I would love to be wrong. Genuinely. But every fibre of my body tells me I'm not.

As soon as he hit puberty, my son worried that he wouldn't grow as tall as his brother (he didn't) wouldn't have the mop of hair his brother has (he doesn't) and what could he do about his high forehead?

He was 'insistent, consistent and persistent' for bloody years . And fairly distressed. Another symptom.

I've only just thought about it, really. It hit at puberty (the same age when gender dysphoria normally kicks in) and it took until after leaving school for the anxiety to recede. He still has it, but is reconciled. And a very happy kid, despite his dissatisfaction.

Statistically gender dysphoria will be reconciled towards the end of puberty.

I was sympathetic, obviously, but I never indulged it. Tried to build up his self-esteem and pointed out all his good bits, which are manifold.

It was instinctive in me to try and make him become reconciled. Not only because I knew he could never change it, but also because I thought it was an unhealthy obsession that concentrated too much on the superficial, in a vaguely ego eccentric way. (He is fairly ego eccentric actually).

In fact the more I think about it, the more I am seeing parallels!

It can't possibly be that unusual.

Datun I would assume it is for Jazz so she can have the body that she has always wanted....a woman's body. And I'm sure if she's dating men it will eventually prove quite handy as a 'receptacle for a penis'. As it does for many women.

. speak for yourself. I am not a dick bin. I am a human female who have millions of nerve endings and enjoys sex. That sex which has resulted in me giving birth several times over via my fancy vagina.

fancy vagina