I am Jazz. ***Trans content. Please do not open if you just want to post insults or whinge about another trans thread***

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I am Jazz is a reality show focusing on the journey of a teenage transgirl/woman whos parents supported transition from aged 5 and has been on TV since aged 6.
Now aged 16.

I don't watch the show as I strongly disagree with everything about it. However I briefly saw a clip of the next episode as the tv happened to be on the channel that airs I am Jazz I had been watching say yes to the dress and it was about dating.

Jazz goes to a sort of speed dating event where everyone is sat in the dark. Jazz wants a relationship, which is normal for a teenager however Jazz does not tell the boys/men that they are trans and in fact male.
As they are in darkness Jazz feels that if they get to know each other without the barrier of seeing each other/being trans it may lead to a relationship.

For me this is totally wrong.
Why should it be ok for Jazz or anyone to withold the truth about a very important aspect of who they are?
Plus I would imagine there to be some very upset and angry teenage boys when they find out they have been duped and lied to.

I remember a good few years ago where a man killed his partner after finding out on a TV show that they were trans. There have been a few similar murders over the years.
I am in no way condoning the murder or harm of another person I am just highlighting the danger that can come if you lie about the sex you are and it should not be encouraged as no relationship can survive on lies.

I just wondered what other peoples thoughts are on the subject of lying about your sex to the people you date?

Yes, my question Datun was also where you are searching, plus what search terms you are using. Can you access Medline, or PubMed or similar academic database? I can but I don't have time right now. However, if you let me know the search terms, I will have a look.

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peers fondly at 'rabbit', and my personal best of a minute and thirty seconds

I can do it in under 2 minutes without a vibrator

I don't have access to those, no. I googled about 10 combinations of words along the lines of

Trans teenager sexual function
Cross sex hormones and orgasm
Libido and lupron
Side effects of HRT transgender medicine

Etc.

Mermaids have a fact sheet that is so useless and woolly, it set me off all over again.

AdalindSchade

Hahaha!!

Okay, thanks

I found this from a 2016 publication (book) called "Principles of Transgender Medicine and Surgery". The main point is that there is little research across age-groups.

And of course I chopped the bit off about lack of research...

YetAnotherSpartacus

From what I have read, post surgery regret is rare, in terms of the surgery. But overall mental health and happiness does not improve.

That's why John Hopkins University stop doing it. Despite them being the forerunners of the surgery years ago. Although I think they may have started again, because of the upsurge in demand.

It seems as though it alleviates gender dysphoria, but does nothing to improve the actual lives of people having it. So it's an odd one.

It's also far easier to accept if it's an adult asking. Apart from anything else, the maturity of the genitals will improve the outcome of the surgery.

Someone who has a normal libido can take responsibility for the knowledge that it might be compromised. Not so with a child.

Another possibility

Datun - I agree and a couple of years ago when I did some searching I found similar.

My main worry is that most of the studies I find highlight the lack of research on a whole range of medical issues associated with transgender medical and surgical interventions. That's what worries me the most, especially in the context of there being a shift toward these interventions.

YetAnotherSpartacus

Whenever there are organisations that are pro trans, it's always worth cross-referencing them with anything you can find on Gendertrender.

They are hated by the trans-lobby for both their profound disagreement with it, but also their comprehensive and extensive research.

gendertrender.wordpress.com/?s=Wpath&submit=Search

Even armed with the knowledge that GT are in disagreement, you can't help but emerge with a rather cynical distrust of many of these organisations.

You can type in keywords into the top right hand search box on Gendertrender. They usually have something, on almost everything.

I am struggling to get past why anyone would think building a vagina out of one's colon would be a good idea.

Yes - I know GenderTrender, but when it comes to research I tend to prefer research databases of academic, scientific and medical research. I think gendertrender is great, but they also have their biases. I also have my own views, but like to make up my mind from a range of sources and particularly those that are in some way scientifically rigorous. Of course, a lot that is published in academic journals also swallows the cool-aid. I guess what I am looking for in terms of considering medical issues is objective research.

My comments about there being scant research relate not to wanting to find more research (necessarily), but to my concerns that there is a trend towards medical intervention without there being adequate research.

YetAnotherSpartacus

When I was looking into this last year, there were several articles about why researchers wouldn't touch this with a barge pole.

When you think about how discussion is shut down everywhere, I don't blame them. It's almost professional suicide to go against the narrative.

What's frightening is we've seen this before. Rotherham, Cologne, Saville.

When I was looking into this last year, there were several articles about why researchers wouldn't touch this with a barge pole

^ don't I know it ... :(

I guess I have some hope that medical or pharmaceutical researchers will research some issues - especially the increased and off-label use of lupron. Surely they have learned their lesson from Thalidomide?

Yes, Gendertrender is biased. But they also unearth hidden agendas.

Struggling to find data is no coincidence.

I seriously think there is an agenda here.

I constantly google to find stats for teens, in case the TRA line of them being such a vulnerable group is being understated/overstated.

I've tried googling trans teen suicide to get stats. You can't get at them. There either haven't been any in the UK or they are rare.

What do you do you get is page after page talking about the high suicide rate. With no actual stats.

What do you do you get is page after page talking about the high suicide rate. With no actual stats

Yes - it would be interesting to look this one up in the academic literature...

YetAnotherSpartacus

If you have access to that, that would be great.

Everyone, including me, are wary of disputing the stats. No one wants to be responsible for people minimising suicide in kids!

By the same token, if it's being used as leverage with no foundation, people should know.

Thank you for starting this thread. Finally a thread on the subject that makes sense to me and which is very informative and educational, having dipped into so many transphobic MN threads where I don't understand the hatred and hostility towards trans people. What's happening to Jazz is terrifying and people need to be educated on it urgently. Most children go through a gender confusion/experimentation phase, as early as 3 or 4 - my DD certainly talks frequently of wanting to be a boy, but she isn't, and if she wants Spider Man pyjamas and to play with cars, she can, without any fuss. But she knows she's a girl, and why would I take any action just because she wants to explore things that are traditionally for boys? She's just learning, exploring, experimenting, being curious, figuring out in a very rudimentary way who she is, as any healthy child should.

I don't have any problem with adults choosing to transition or who identify as x, y or z. But falsely believing you are giving your child a choice to make such a huge decision is dangerous and terrifying and ultimately very tragic.

Now I will go back and read the rest of this thread!

"having dipped into so many transphobic MN threads where I don't understand the hatred and hostility towards trans people."

Can you please give an example of this hatred and hostility? Link to a thread?

Because no one ever does give an example; people talk about hatred and transphobia with no explanation, and what they actually do is make any and all discussion of the real life ramifications for people like Jazz into a no-go zone.

YetAnother - there are lots of bits of research linked to in the article I posted yesterday about the effects of Lupron on young people's health: www.statnews.com/2017/02/02/lupron-puberty-children-health-problems/

having dipped into so many transphobic MN threads where I don't understand the hatred and hostility towards trans people

I remain utterly confused what you mean here. Not wanting to derail, but many threads on MN have been on very similar topics to this one and I've not seen any hatred / transphobia that hasn't immediately been removed, and none by regular FWR posters... ???