Just a thought

[YellowChicken]

feminism

the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes.

Just a thought and I can see me getting my butt handed to me but if feminism is about equality of sexes then should it not support both sexes?
I understand alot of issues in the world directly affect women but sometimes I fine feminism to be used as a big hate compain against men when really it should be bringing us all together and creating a fair and equal society.

Dont get me wrong im all for what feminism is but sometimes I feel that the idea of equality.

An example

I cant say all women do but alot objectify men on their appearance. I seem many people on here talk about "sexy" men in a derogatory way. A crush that makes their "fanny tingle" (yes iv read that) is no different to a guy saying a woman makes his cock hard.
A guy looking at a women body and making derogatory comments is no different from a female seeing a topless guys and making comments about his body.

However there are movements about how men should not look at a womans body and be aroused by it. That is just basic biology

Porn is another example people focus on the women in porn but there are just as many men in porn and alot of women watch porn. The idea that women in porn make unreachable expectations of how a woman should look and behave in the bedroom can be an issue with men in porn. Be it gay, tv or heterosexual.

Who is speaking up for them men?

The idea that women can only be sexually assaulted when I know many males who have been.
Who is sticking up for them men?

The pension age is lower for females, we have the choice of terminating a pregnancy regardless of how a male thinks or feels, we more often then not get full custody of children.

And thats just a few examples.

I often think the true meaning of equality is forgotten.

Right light me up

Parenthood results in equal amounts of mental illness for men as it does for women?

Does it fuck. Are you just making this up as you go along?

And opting out is the only way to stop anyone being forced into it.

No. Not introducing your sperm to an egg. If you really are so dead set against having a baby, your only recourse is abstinence. Otherwise you take the same risk everyone else does, except that a bloke would never have to risk their life to carry that baby to term.

squishysquirmy

If someone who cant afford a chikd has a child are they really thinking about the wellbeing of said child?

ChocChocPorridge

Nor does a woman she can have an abortion

If contact is 50-50 no maintenance is payable. If the other parent has the child the majority of the time then the NRP pays support with reduction for their own contact time. What is so difficult for you to understand?

Nor does a woman she can have an abortion

In this country, sure, she can instead take the risk of having an abortion. In any case, she is taking those physical risks, not the man, so she gets to choose which risks those are. They both have the same responsibilities when it comes to the child, although in practise, many men don't bother.

"If someone who cant afford a chikd has a child are they really thinking about the wellbeing of said child?"

So what do you want to DO?
Forced abortions?
Forced sterilisation?
Forcibly remove the child from the mother and put it into care if the man "opts out?"
How the fuck is that in "the best interests of the child?"

A properly used condom is very effective indeed. Of the cases where one fails, presumably a lot of couples agree on what to do next. I don't have figures, but I imagine the number of men supporting a child they do not want following the failure of properly used contraception is pretty small.

Yellowchicken, what do you make. of the statistic that nearly 2 women a week are killed by their male partner?

I never said abortio. Is wrong or that a make should be able to force a woman to have an abortion.

Im saying a male shoukd be able to opt out of being a parent just as a woman can

'If someone who can't afford a child has a child are they really thinking about the wellbeing of said child?'

Says the poster who wants deadbeat Dad to become a protected characteristic.

Every time I refresh this thread it's taken a turn it's like the bloody crazy mouse ride at alton towers

I say again what do you make of the statistic more men commit suicide due to life pressures?

Your asking a question you clearly know I dont agree with. Support needs to be given to women o have never said otherwise. Im just saying to demonise all men along the way is wrong

they can opt out though!

Don't 'arrive' inside a woman. It's really really simple!

stitchglitched

Im saying he should be able to opt out. Perhaps not as many children would live in poverty of women did have the money of someone else who said he doesnt want a child to rely on

It take two to make a child. So two should have a say on if they want the child or not be it abortion or opting out

Im saying a male shoukd be able to opt out of being a parent just as a woman can

So you do support taxpayers funding men having unprotected sex willy nilly.

Personally, whilst I'm happy to pay my taxes to keep kids out of poverty, I do baulk a bit at the idea that I pay taxes to keep kids out of poverty because the bloke next door wouldn't take any responsibility for keeping his sperm away from eggs.

More men commit suicide because they are generally more successful at it. And they are less likely to seek help.

But a woman having a baby she cant afford thats fine?

Er you've just argued my point. Yes I agree that not as many children would live in poverty if they had support to rely on. Sadly a large proportion of men get away without paying support, even for previously planned and wanted children.

GahBuggerit

Thats as ridiculous as saying mire women die because they dont seek help

No way are you a woman, OP.

If you do don't want to have a child but still want to have sex, get a vasectomy. Or have sex with post-menopausal women.

stitchglitched if they didnt rely on the money they would prehaps think a out having a child rather then "ill force him to pay even tho he said he didnt want the child"

While you're thinking about those 2 women a week killed by their male partner, yellowchicken, what do you think should happen if there is an "accidental" pregnancy and the man wants the baby and the woman doesn't?

I'm also perplexed at how this would work - presumably one of those 'sex contracts' the MRAs always accuse feminists of wanting.

When do you propose this opt-out happening? I think it has to be pre-sex. If it's during pregnancy, presumably it should only be for the same amount of time the woman has to get an abortion, and he'd have to get sign off from 2 accountants to say that he definitely couldn't afford to support the child? You couldn't for instance opt out once the kid's 14 and has a particularly expensive dental bill or something, that would be silly.

CoteDAzur

Im not a woman because I dont agree?