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Just a thought

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YellowChicken · 14/04/2017 11:53

feminism

the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes.

Just a thought and I can see me getting my butt handed to me but if feminism is about equality of sexes then should it not support both sexes?
I understand alot of issues in the world directly affect women but sometimes I fine feminism to be used as a big hate compain against men when really it should be bringing us all together and creating a fair and equal society.

Dont get me wrong im all for what feminism is but sometimes I feel that the idea of equality.

An example

I cant say all women do but alot objectify men on their appearance. I seem many people on here talk about "sexy" men in a derogatory way. A crush that makes their "fanny tingle" (yes iv read that) is no different to a guy saying a woman makes his cock hard.
A guy looking at a women body and making derogatory comments is no different from a female seeing a topless guys and making comments about his body.

However there are movements about how men should not look at a womans body and be aroused by it. That is just basic biology

Porn is another example people focus on the women in porn but there are just as many men in porn and alot of women watch porn. The idea that women in porn make unreachable expectations of how a woman should look and behave in the bedroom can be an issue with men in porn. Be it gay, tv or heterosexual.

Who is speaking up for them men?

The idea that women can only be sexually assaulted when I know many males who have been.
Who is sticking up for them men?

The pension age is lower for females, we have the choice of terminating a pregnancy regardless of how a male thinks or feels, we more often then not get full custody of children.

And thats just a few examples.

I often think the true meaning of equality is forgotten.

Right light me up

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DJBaggySmalls · 14/04/2017 14:21

''YellowChicken Fri 14-Apr-17 14:15:43
There are very real mental risks about be forced to have child. Being forced to provide for a life you never wanted.
There are very real mental risks to being a parent. Men suffer with this just as much as women.''

That must be why so many of them walk out and refuse to pay childcare.

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YellowChicken · 14/04/2017 14:22

But a man should have the right to not pay for a child he doesnt want in the way a women can choose not to have a child.

Example ... a man still need to provide everything for a child when he has said child. Whos paying him to do that?

Also children in poverty yes it is an issue but is that not because of inflation, minimum wage, lack of support off the state

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IAmAmy · 14/04/2017 14:22

The OP has moaned women can have an abortion without the man vetoing them then moaned men can't force women to have abortions. Hmm.

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YellowChicken · 14/04/2017 14:22

DJBaggySmalls

Could be a contributing factor of why suicide is so high in males

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YellowChicken · 14/04/2017 14:23

I dont think women should be forced to have a child. Likewise I dont think men should. Hence why shouldnt men be abke to opt out

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BertrandRussell · 14/04/2017 14:24

Men can choose not to have a child too.

What do you make of the statistic that nearly 2 women a week are killed by their male partner?

stitchglitched · 14/04/2017 14:24

'There are very real mental risks about be forced to have child'

Well earlier on you were arguing for exactly this when bemoaning evil women who violate men's rights by aborting children they wanted. Make your mind up! It almost seems like your version of equality is all about men getting their own way at any cost. Women shouldn't abort if men want the baby. Women should abort if men don't want the baby and if they don't then men should be allowed to opt out of paying. If men want equal custody this should be automatic regardless of the best interests of the child but if they don't want the kid they should be allowed to sign their responsibilities away.

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YellowChicken · 14/04/2017 14:24

What do you make of the statistic suicide is higher in men due to the pressures but on them?

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squishysquirmy · 14/04/2017 14:25

Yellow, so out of the three options I listed, which do you think is the lesser of 3 evils?
Taking into account the interests of all parties, not just the man's?

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YellowChicken · 14/04/2017 14:26

Im saying women have a choice but men do not.

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squishysquirmy · 14/04/2017 14:27

Men and women have different choices.

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YellowChicken · 14/04/2017 14:28

And what if there is accident of both sides? They are both careful but it still happens? The man still has no choice

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GahBuggerit · 14/04/2017 14:28

Men can opt out of having a child by making sure his special thing called sperm doesn't meet with a woman's special thing called an egg (sorry slipped into birds and bees in child friendly terms then, don't know why Grin)

Xenophile · 14/04/2017 14:28

Men and women both have choices, they're just different ones.

This isn't dictated by women, but by biology.

IAmAmy · 14/04/2017 14:29

The make suicide rate in the UK is decreasing, the female suicide rate is increasing.

You clearly don't care about all the women and girls being murdered by men though.

stitchglitched · 14/04/2017 14:29

'Example...a man still needs to provide everything for child when he has said child.'

Maintenance is reduced based on Dad's contact time so that point is irrelevant.

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YellowChicken · 14/04/2017 14:30

squishysquirmy

I see your point but should people be having babies who cant afford them? Should the state be taking chikd poverty more seriously? Even with payment you say poverty is still rife. Is this not an issue beyond? Children absolutely need more support however a male should still have the right to say if he wants to be a parent. And opting out is the only way to stop anyone being forced into it.

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squishysquirmy · 14/04/2017 14:31

"And what if there is accident of both sides? They are both careful but it still happens?"

I'll repeat the three solutions I mentioned earlier. They are all, to some extent, "unfair". But the last one is the least unfair. Its a messy world - there is no perfect answer that keeps everyone happy all of the time.

  1. Force woman to undergo abortion. What happens if she refuses? Does she get dragged kicking and screaming to the hospital? Are the police involved in searching for her and bringing her in? Will extra medical staff be employed to hold her down during the procedure?

  2. Man "opts out" of all financial responsibility. In many cases this means that the child will grow up in poverty. Many children do already grow up in poverty, even when the current minimum payments are paid, so this will get much worse. As the child grows up, they have to deal with the psychological impact of knowing that not only did their biological father not want to know them, but that he cared so little that he refused to make even the smallest financial contribution to their welfare.

  3. The man has to make a financial contribution based on his income for the next 18 years, but can choose whether or not he is involved in his child's life beyond that. There are many ways of getting around this financial obligation, and it is a fraction of the financial cost of bringing up a child.

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YellowChicken · 14/04/2017 14:31

stitchglitched

But were is his money for caring for the child. Resuduced does not mean he isnt paying

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stitchglitched · 14/04/2017 14:32

No not having PIV is the only way to stop anyone being forced into it. Opting out just punishes children.

squishysquirmy · 14/04/2017 14:32

Sorry crossposted
The only way I can see to "stop people having babies who cant afford them" is the first solution in my list - do you really think we should be doing that? Shock

SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed · 14/04/2017 14:32

Gah, biology, so misandronistic.

squishysquirmy · 14/04/2017 14:33

If a man is resident parent, the woman pays him child support.
hth.

BertrandRussell · 14/04/2017 14:33

Yellowchicken,, what do you make of the statistic that nearly 2 women a week are killed by their male partner?

Xenophile · 14/04/2017 14:33

I'm a little perplexed by the idea that when women want abortions that's wrong, but men should be allowed to force women to have abortions. In what way does this equate to equality?

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