Just a thought

[YellowChicken]

feminism

the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes.

Just a thought and I can see me getting my butt handed to me but if feminism is about equality of sexes then should it not support both sexes?
I understand alot of issues in the world directly affect women but sometimes I fine feminism to be used as a big hate compain against men when really it should be bringing us all together and creating a fair and equal society.

Dont get me wrong im all for what feminism is but sometimes I feel that the idea of equality.

An example

I cant say all women do but alot objectify men on their appearance. I seem many people on here talk about "sexy" men in a derogatory way. A crush that makes their "fanny tingle" (yes iv read that) is no different to a guy saying a woman makes his cock hard.
A guy looking at a women body and making derogatory comments is no different from a female seeing a topless guys and making comments about his body.

However there are movements about how men should not look at a womans body and be aroused by it. That is just basic biology

Porn is another example people focus on the women in porn but there are just as many men in porn and alot of women watch porn. The idea that women in porn make unreachable expectations of how a woman should look and behave in the bedroom can be an issue with men in porn. Be it gay, tv or heterosexual.

Who is speaking up for them men?

The idea that women can only be sexually assaulted when I know many males who have been.
Who is sticking up for them men?

The pension age is lower for females, we have the choice of terminating a pregnancy regardless of how a male thinks or feels, we more often then not get full custody of children.

And thats just a few examples.

I often think the true meaning of equality is forgotten.

Right light me up

Gallavich dont be thick women can choose to use contraception

Men can take as much parental leave as women. Shared parental leave allows some or all maternity leave (after the first two weeks) to be transferred to the father. My partner had a month - this was complicated by the fact that I was hospitalised with PND around the time I was supposed to be returning to work - but he still had it.

Yellow it's really not me being thick
But I've wasted enough time and energy on you, you're too thick to read the intelligent responses being given here so bore off.

I personally think unless they engage with the excellent posts from Fauchevelent and actually respond to the points made they should be ignored.

They won't, because they have an agenda or are here to deliberately provoke.

Yet no ine is addressing men who are abused.
You saying why womens rights is supported and I fully agree but noone.is saying why they dont speak out for all rights.

There is no logical reason the pension age is lower

No! There's a sexist one! Courtesy of GrimbleTart a few moons ago:

Hmmm. It is worth asking who actually made the retirement age of women 60?
When the State Pension was brought in in 1908 it was for individuals (men and women) over 70 with a higher rate paid to married men - women being seen of course as a dependent.

In 1925 the age was reduced to 65, meaning many men had to wait to until over 65 to get the higher married rate (because men like to marry younger women dontcha know).

In 1940 the pension age for women was cut to 60 to ensure that for most couples the married rate would be paid as soon as the husband reached 65, thus the anomaly in NI payments.

^So, historically, it was the overwhelmingly male Government who decreed that
women were not individuals to be taxed or paid a state pension as individuals but a dependent half of a couple.^

It was also an overwhelmingly male Government that decreed married working women could pay a reduced NI stamp. The catch, of course, was that this reduced stamp meant you got a reduced pension as a married woman.

I married in 1966 when this married woman's stamp still applied. I opted to pay the full NI whack to get my pension as an individual (and because I never saw DH as an automatic bread ticket).

I worked until I was 70 and paid class 4 NI until then, so paid NI for 50 years by the way.

But many women were forced to retire at 60 whether they wanted to or not.
So in terms of overall fairness OP it was a case of swings and roundabouts - in some instances men gained by working longer, in some instances women by paying NI for fewer years (but how much gain was that considering they got a smaller pension?)

In any case pension and NI equalisation is now well under way.

So the unfairness was really triggered way back in 1908 when married women were considered dependents of men and exacerbated by laws passed in 1925 and 1940 plus the reduced married women's stamp (abolished in 1977).

All the things listed are concerns for men. There should be more shelters and support for male victims of of domestic abuse and sexual assault.

Children should have a right to an equal relationship with both parents.

Abortion is a woman's right because women are the ones who are risking health and life carrying a child, however i support men's right to decide what happens to their body.

I'll go further, men's mental health support needs better funding and destigmatizing. Circumcision should be outlawed unless there is a medical need.

But you know what, i have enough to do being the primary parent to my child because her father refuses to take time of work to do sick days and assembly's and plays. I'm a bit busy caring for and supporting my mil as she gets older because society has decided that because i have a vagina that's my job too. That's without running my business 70 hours per week.

So if men want all the things listed above, perhaps they can campaign for them and hell, even do are to the relevant charities.

Just a thought.

Because men have more than their fair share of rights in all areas/ sectors / time periods /places . Why do you have such a problem understanding this basic concept?
There is a power imbalance between men and women , in favour of men .
Feminism seeks to address that imbalance by promoting women's rights. Men have always had the favourite spot in terms of politics , economics , society , family, etc. They don't need lobbying for . Historically , men have laid down the law and women have had to follow suit. It's been down to a man's whim what women are or aren't entitled to since forever .

Just made my brother fetch my cup of tea. If none of you start campaigning for him against this female oppression you are misandrists like me

Also my iPad kept autocorrecting "misandrists" but never would for "misogynists". More misandry (or miss dry as it prefers).

Amy actually i think you might be right. I always thought teens had better things to do.

They lost me at "it's not men who create this its celebs"

Alright then. Either wilfully ignorant or is all caught up with his favourite youtubers.

Yellow, you're right. Women are just overreacting when we get told to take our tits out for men on the street and the men are right we really are ugly cunts, they really weren't interested in us anyway!

We should let the men who follow us home in for tea, because we are just over reacting and he's probably a really great guy. There is no rape culture, we're just misinterpreting the many men and women in our lives who say women who dress a certain way are asking for it. We really ARE leading all men on simply by talking to them.

When my male friends watch "teen schoolgirl gets destroyed by five big dick jocks" what's really happening is that they get sad boners - their dicks get so hard because they're sad they don't have six packs and can't make a woman moan like that - or is she in pain? Who cares!

You know, when men exoticise me and make judgements about me based on how my race performs in porn, i should admit i'm really denying my heritage. You're right, I really do hate all men!

Despite the fact it was only one man that seriously sexually assaulted me and plenty of those who haven't, my desperation to end rape and the culture that men have a right over womens bodies means i think all men are rapists.

You got me, yellow.

I always thought teens had better things to do

I've spent a quarter of my Easter holidays posting on here but in my defence I've been ill the last couple of days

Your posts are all infuriatingly fantastic (infuriating because of how true they are).

Men are forced to pay money to support their offspring (although many don't) because a child's right to be supported by the people who created it is more important than a man's right to ejaculate without consequence.

Men's choices occur at the time of conception because that is the extent of their physical involvement in the process. Women have additional options later due to the pregnancy occurring in their bodies and the risks involved. It isn't rocket science.

"Just a thought"
...And not a very original one.

"Feminists! Stop focusing on women! Once the world is 100% perfect for men, and no man ever suffers abuse, discrimination, depression or homelessness, THEN and only then can you start fighting for women."

You might not have ever felt threatened, but you don't speak for all women. I've been followed twice by men, once as a child, one who tried to hug me, on a dark street - so the next time I was on a dark street alone of course I felt anxious. The 'not all men' argument is useless - no one is saying 'all men are a danger', but enough are for it to be a concern.

Feminism also benefits men because it helps to dismantle gender roles which might pressure them to be more 'masculine' than they want to be - young boys might be denied a toy or item of clothing as it's not 'for boys'. Just like girls might be denied a 'boy's toy' and bought pink stuff by default.

As for maternity leave, there's lots more options for men to take time off than previously. And a lot don't want to take more than the two weeks or whatever. I don't see my husband losing promotion opportunities or experience at work though, as I will while I take time off to recover from the birth of our child.

Men objectifying women and the complaining about the same thing is ridiculous. Iv seen groups of women heckle men in the street talk derogatory about men, slate a nake for his weight, I know someone who is terrified of groups of women. Who have been abused by women. I know men who dont know were to look because they are terrified of offending.
Not all men look at women as near objects and to suggest they do is ultimately sexist. Many men are respectful and caring towards women 90% of the tine there is no threat. I have been raped and I have been assaulted yet I do not cross the street because I see men walking down the sane street, I dont live in constant fear. There are fucked up people in the world it has nothing to do with having a cock. Comments are comments they not terrifying and to demonise all me is partly why they dont think anyone would pissibky believe they are in the receiving end
Men are not to blame for the idea.of beauty thats more to do with the media. The models the people who portray themselves as nothing more then their appearance. The issue is the fact that we live in a world were the tv and magazines tell us what beauty is and everyone one buys into. Want to be skinny like the models and so on. Thats nothing to do with men

Simply put women in porn have chose to be their who are you to say that they shouldnt have that line of work? Women in porn can choose to be in it or not. If they dont like the job have a career change like anyone else would.

There is no reason the pension age should be lower.

And if a women is to get pregnant she can force a male to pay for the child. She can overrule him wanting a chimd. Why not the other way

2 women a week are killed by their male partners.

Amy At least you're contributing something! I'm guessing I'm not more than ten years older than you and have no kids. but the feminist boards are great at all ages but do your peers really spend time /trolling/ mum sites? Wow. Suppose its better they get their arse handed to them by take-no-bs feminists than bullying girls in their class on those anonymous pages

Likewise I dont speak for all women neither do you. Dont assume everyone should want what you want. Dont assume everyone feels how you feel and dont assume all men are the same

"Iv seen groups of women heckle men in the street"

Yeah, sure, course you have. Happens all the time.

This poster is trying to provoke. That's their only intention. They don't want to have any kind of serious discussion nor do they care at all about misogyny.

Loving the excellent and patient work being put in by many posters but the words 'brick wall' 'head' and 'banging come to mind...

Posters: here are the facts
Yellow: yeah i'm not reading all that i'm just going to carry on saying the same things in an increasingly more indignant tone.

I'm done folks, good luck.

'It is not men who create the idea of beauty but the likes of celebs and media'

Do you think the op hasn't heard of Rupert Murdoch, or doesn't realise he's a man?

'And if a woman is to get pregnant she can force a male to pay for the child.'

Did she get pregnant all by herself then? And there is no comparison between paying maintenance and being forced to continue a pregnancy against your will. One involves handing over a minimal amount of money for the benefit of the child, the other is a violation of bodily autonomy and basic human rights. That you can even think these things are comparable makes you sound ridiculous.