Caitlyn Jenner

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4398858/Caitlyn-Jenner-underwent-gender-reassignment-surgery.html

(Yes, it's the DM - because it's one of the only news sources which is balanced on the trans issue)

Saint Caitlyn has a book coming out in which she reveals that she HAS had gender reassessment surgery. I think a few people on here thought that they hadn't.

Anyway, the DM have some interesting pictures which show how trans surgery works.

As always, the comments are very telling... Fair play to the DM for keeping them open!

How the hell do I get out of this? We have two kids, a six year old daughter. Right now he is in a purge phase. If I divorce him he will be the poor misunderstood hero/victim, me the bigot and I will have to share custody. I can't bear to lose my kids let alone lose my ability to protect them.

birdbandit

Grim for you. What is wrong with these bloody men?

The worst bit about that Jenner video is the spin. It's an amusing anecdotes that she steals her children's clothes. And although she doesn't actually say she wanks into them, I would bet my right arm she did.

I think the general public is completely unaware of the aggressively sexual nature of AGP.

Bird

Is he seeking counselling?

There are many forums dedicated to what's known as the bathroom fantasy. The user who posted that also posted in detail about masturbating to his sister using the toilet when he was quite young. Many of them describe pinching female relatives clothes to wank in, or on. They are very clear it was sexual, nothing to do with feeling like a girl. It's clear to me that they are sexual offenders, offending initially against their own female family members.

Bird I'm so sorry it all sounds absolutely grim for you. If you want to end the relationship you should be able to though... perhaps if you want to talk more about it a separate thread might be an idea. Here or in relationships.

On the whole "what is wrong with them".......up until the point where other people are harmed (sexual assault, harrasment, exposure etc) which is obviously wrong, is there anything wrong with it?

I will now be only using my own tissues in public loos. Or at least discarding the end of the rolls. Eugh. Physically shuddering at the thought 🤢

You know what RogueBiscuit this is what I seriously don't understand about Maria Miller's report on transgender equality.

Even if you were of the opinion that transsexuals are a discriminated group and need greater acceptance, where the fuck is your maturity, common sense and experience which should be telling you that every perverted fucker in the land is going to exploit it?

Do these people really live in such gilded cages that they don't know about the human underbelly?

But the disgust we feel is what they want, isn't it?

bird

You might want to google 'trans widows'. There are many women who have said that when they have gone to counselling, they are the ones who are painted in a bad light. They should be understanding, compassionate, blah bloody blah.

They may have tips on how to access sympathetic help.

The thing is I'm sure he can't help it. It's an obsession. So your natural empathy and need to keep your family whole will make any decisions highly distressing for you.

Get support. Any way you can. Discard and ignore anyone who is not supportive. You don't have to make a knee-jerk decision, but if you have a support network, you can ease into analytical and logical decisions a lot easier.

datum etc yes we did couples counselling where he lied/sold the woman's brain narrative schmuck/minimised etc, counsellor was "sex positive" and tried to sell me on being lesbian for his her, called me a bigot etc. So I canned that! He went to someone who was all "go grrrl, your wife is just wrong to have a problem with all this" and completely disregarded any hurt I might have over 17 years of calculated deceit, because that wasn't his fault now, poor hero.

Leaving board now, too personal for me. All the right on women can come back to call terf now.

PhoenixJasmine

From what I have read secrecy is key. A well known, gender critical, feminist supporting transwoman as I said she thinks AGP should be recognised as a sexual orientation. Whilst I think that is dangerously close to recognising, say, paedophilia as a sexual orientation, I can see where she's coming from.

If you get it out in the open, it really loses its appeal. It would also compel lawmakers to address it.

counsellor was "sex positive" and tried to sell me on being lesbian for his her, called me a bigot etc. So I canned that!

Holy fuck. Who the fuck are these counsellors?

birdbandit

No feminist would ever call you a TERF. PM me if you want to off load.

I know it's personal and very difficult but if I can help, I will.

RogueBiscuit

I have read stories of so many wives of transwomen who have experienced exactly the same. They are always in the wrong. It's bloody disgusting.

One woman said that her husband suddenly became incredibly submissive and always wanted her to go on top, complete reversal of their previous sex life. He wanted to be humiliated, etc. And insisted that she must now be a lesbian.

God only knows what relationship counsellors have got in their heads.

I suppose we shouldn't be surprised, as there are many people who think this is brave and something to be celebrated.

It's wholesale brainwashing/gaslighting.

I wish bad things on counsellors who gaslight women into supporting and staying with late-transitioning males when they don't want to. They're in the same bad space as sex counsellors who recommend porn. I hope they step on legos.

You're not a terf, bird

God only knows what relationship counsellors have got in their heads.

They want reporting and striking off. It's not ever their place to coerce women into tolerating sexual things they don't like.

Please don't go, Bird. We do, It's true, get the odd poster who pops up and cries "TERF! Transphobe!" but they don't stay long. FWR regulars ask them to please report any transphobic posts but they seldom find any. Then we offer logical argument concerning the gender critical position and ask questions. For some reason they shortly afterwards vanish into the woodwork. Can't think why.

Bird

I'm sorry that this is happening to you. Your reactions all sound very understandable in horrible circumstances.

Rogue, that anecdote is one of the most repulsive, disturbing things I've ever read

Snap, I am horrified at what I've just read

You have literal professionals in the study telling you that your attitude it wrong but you're still in denial...comical. Realise that you are the minority of people with this hateful mindset, most people are atleast neutral on the subject of transgender people. Take a look in the mirror and stop being so god damn bitter, transvestite and transgender are not the same thing.

Bird I don't know what to say other than what you have had to deal with has been horrendous. I hope you are okay

Rawr comical? Sorry I don't get the joke, can you explain? And, er, wtf are you talking about?

Literal professionals? What, as opposed to metaphorical ones?
Idiot.

Your superiority complex is baffling. Step off your high horse and come back down to reality. You do not know more than what the counsellors do, you are not the only select group of people who have everything right, you are a tiny hate group.

Get. A. Grip.

Do your own unbiased research, it's absolutely pathetic and simply unhealthy for grown women to be so involved with a subject that only makes them angry.