Caitlyn Jenner

[Terfinator]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4398858/Caitlyn-Jenner-underwent-gender-reassignment-surgery.html

(Yes, it's the DM - because it's one of the only news sources which is balanced on the trans issue)

Saint Caitlyn has a book coming out in which she reveals that she HAS had gender reassessment surgery. I think a few people on here thought that they hadn't.

Anyway, the DM have some interesting pictures which show how trans surgery works.

As always, the comments are very telling... Fair play to the DM for keeping them open!

Only one angry person I can see here.
Many things, of course, are baffling to the stupid.

Rawr Again, what? You are making No. Literal. Sense.

(thought I'd speak your language. See, inclusive )

"You do not know more than what the counsellors do."
Maybe not. I know bullshit when I see it though.

Bog of Rawr, sex counsellors who read blogs are not experts. People living with it are experts. I am a god damn expert in aggressive walking abusive transvestites or "crossdreamers" to use the current term who use the trans make believe story to justify their abuse of women, or specifically me.

You are an abuse apologist, an aunty in the handmaiden's tale. Your religious belief, and yes it is a religious belief, has a wank addled rapists sitting in a frock in a woman's jail, twittering about how women are performing femininity wrong right now. On your head be it. You are enabling and condoning the surgical and chemical abuse of minors, to validate wankers own justification story.

And yes I found a brilliant therapist who has the wits to recognise spousal abuse, even when it wears a disguise.

Awesome i spiring post bird, we are the majority, not the minority.

And I meant wanking not walking. I bet his phone doesn't keep autocorrecting that word!

Brava, bird

*Rawr
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Where is the hatred? Can you please point out specific examples?

(Your own hateful posts don't count btw!)

Well said Bird

Rawr

Do your own unbiased research,

...it's absolutely pathetic and simply unhealthy for grown women to be so involved with a subject that only makes them angry.

It's precisely because of research that women have reached the conclusion that they have every bloody right to be angry.

Whattsup Rawr? Does an Angry Woman not comply with your version of womanhood?

Damn these pesky uppity females.

Bloody difficult women hey

Rawr wrote - "transvestite and transgender are not the same thing."

The reason why they are not the same thing is that transvestite is only one of the many categories of transgender people.

According to Stonewall:

"Transgender is an inclusive, umbrella term used to describe the diversity of gender identity and expression for all people who do not conform to common ideas of gender roles. This includes: transsexual, transvestite, intersex, bigendered, gender benders, gender blenders, drag queens, drag kings, butch women, effeminate men and anyone who chooses, for whatever reason, to self-identify as transgender. In the broadest sense, transgender encompasses anyone whose identity or behaviour falls outside of stereotypical gender norms. That includes people who do not self-identify as transgender, but who are perceived as such by others and thus are subject to the same prejudice, discrimination and physical violence as those who actually identify with any of these categories."

source: www.stonewall.org.uk/sites/default/files/transgender_booklet_2004.pdf

Rawr is doing an India Willoughby.

There are men in dresses, and there are men in dresses who mean it. Get it right, women.

That Stonewall definition basically includes nearly everyone, apart from the most masculine of men and the most feminine of women. "Anyone whose...behaviour falls outside of stereotypical gender norms" even if they don't self identify! So according to Stonewall I am apparently transgender, as I don't conform to stereotypical gender norms.

Can't they see how daft it is to have such a wide ranging definition?

Oh yeah, I'm trans according to Stonewall. My DP is too. Is anyone not?

Can't they see how daft it is to have such a wide ranging definition?

Since there has been a fair amount of backpedalling in the media, I suspect they will change that definition before people cotton on to how ridiculous it is.

We've gone from the ludicrous anyone who says they are trans is trans - to the risible you are trans but don't know it.

We've gone from zero criteria to be trans, to all and everything being the criteria.

Haha! So only Phil Mitchell-Type people are truly "cis"?

So according to Stonewall gender is pretty much meaningless and everyone should be free from prejudice, discrimination and physical violence. That's cleared that up then. 👍

According to Stonewall, I am transgender, too.

Thing is, Rawr, that it's research that's led so many posters to be gender critical. We're very well informed. And this is a forum where we're free to talk and discuss without being shouted down by transactivists and their allies.

Silencing, no-platforming, ostracizing - these are the principle methods employed to stifle criticism of trans ideology. And it's very effective. I've heard from young feminists on Reddit that they daren't share their trans critical thoughts with their RL friends because in many circles just talking to a "known TERF" will get them shunned.

Things are different in MN. I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm not deterred by name calling. I'm of an age that many of my friends wouldn't know what a TERF is, let alone shun me. Many of us are mothers. We're not easy to convince that biology is a social construct.

Thing is, no one denies that sex dysphoria must be very difficult to live with, and if transition was a purely private business we'd likely take no notice. But trans ideology is very harmful to the interests of women and children, so we combat its excesses wherever we can.

According to Stonewall, I am transgender too.

Well I certainly don't identify with many of the social norms for women. I am not subservient, I don't want to be paid less, and I don't think men can't be responsible for childcare, so trans it is then. Weirdly husband does think as he is the man his needs are the priority, doesn't know where the mop lives, how to turn on the oven or what homework the kids have. Even when he is dressed.

You do not know more than what the counsellors do

These fucking woman eh! Why can't they celebrate it, it's all so fucking wonderful. What's wrong with a man trying to gaslight his wife into believing he's a woman? What's wrong with wearing your wifes clothes and wanking in them?

If only women would just be lesbians and help them with their make up everything would be ok.

Any counsellor who peddles this abusive nasty mentality needs a serious fucking talking to. Bird nailed it, you're an abuse apologist, along with anyone else who believe women should put up with this shit.

This is nicely put I think.

purplesagefem.wordpress.com/2017/02/11/identifying-as-something-versus-identifying-what-you-are/