Caitlyn Jenner

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4398858/Caitlyn-Jenner-underwent-gender-reassignment-surgery.html

(Yes, it's the DM - because it's one of the only news sources which is balanced on the trans issue)

Saint Caitlyn has a book coming out in which she reveals that she HAS had gender reassessment surgery. I think a few people on here thought that they hadn't.

Anyway, the DM have some interesting pictures which show how trans surgery works.

As always, the comments are very telling... Fair play to the DM for keeping them open!

This is because bio males and females are different and the impact and brainwashing-type-impact society has on children while growing up, it's not that surprising that these effects last into adulthood. They're raised, treated and expected to act male, that doesn't go away when they realise they're trans. Men statistically commit more crime and are more likely to have sexual related illness than women, no?

Precisely. And precisely why MTT should not be in women's spaces. Tell me how we safeguard women's spaces if we have to pretend MTT are women?

changing rooms? prisons? homeless shelters? hospital wards? DV shelters?

In your last post you explained why MTT commit sexual and violent crime at the same rate as men and now you are doing some silly 'they want to rape my children!' thing to belittle women's totally rational fears of male violence Do you think we should just not have sex segregated facilities at all? That would at least be a consistent position but not one I would support.

Lesbians don't letch, men do.
Lesbians are on average the same size and strength as me. Men are much bigger and stronger.

The term functioning vagina is grossly offensive since the orifice in question is only useful for one function. It's a male viewpoint to reduce the function of a vagina to a hole which can be penetrated. And they wonder why women are pissed off?

This is so spot on, I felt it needed to be repeated ^^

Rawr That tumblr link is supposed to be a valid source? They're idiot teenagers trolling, that's a joke.

It was probably valid in that there no dount are transwomen and transactivists who are mysoginistic on an individual level. But this has nothing to do with the basic premise itself or transmen and transwomen per se.

So it ia bit like the fact that some people who have concerns about certain cultural practises or immigration are also racist and could be quoted as saying racist things. Just means some people on a particular side of a fence are racist or mysoginistic.

You can only make the basic premise of transgenderism misogynistic if you forget that transmen exist, forget that some transwomen have sex-dimorphism, and then decide that the stereotypes associated with a gender ARE the gender identity. Do all that, and then transgerism is, at a core level, mysoginistic.

You need to read this Rawr. It's about women's spaces.

I agree Rogue. If a young person has anorexia, no-one feels they must say "yes! You are so chubby! You really need to lose weight!" .
In no other area are we told that telling the truth is "hatred", and that we are "bigots" and "cis scum" if we dare to question. They seem to not be listed today, but for some months there have been badges for sale on Etsy saying "Terf stomper" with a pic of a boot, and "DIE cis scum". I complained to Etsy about them before Christmas but they didnt even bother to reply. The badges were still for sale a couple of weeks ago. This gaslighting of women, of which the lauding of CJ is a part, is scary stuff .

Rawr, who are you quoting in your 19:48 posts. And you realise that the only lesbians who can rape are MTT?

Men are much bigger and stronger.

It's a good thing HRT is so effective then.

And you realise that the only lesbians who can rape are MTT?

Excuse me?

I agree Rogue. If a young person has anorexia, no-one feels they must say "yes! You are so chubby! You really need to lose weight!" .
In no other area are we told that telling the truth is "hatred", and that we are "bigots" and "cis scum" if we dare to question

But you know you're not 'telling the truth' since this thread has already clarified that gender dysphoria is real.

Evening All,
We do understand this is a highly emotive topic but we will have to remove any posts reported to us which break our www.mumsnet.com/info/netiquette

Although we may not always agree with other posters' opinions, we'd be chuffed if we could all try to treat one another with respect when posting.

Thanks very much and apologies for interrupting your thread

HRT doesn't stop men being bigger and stronger than women. Not if they have gone through male puberty. Also the definition of trans is now so wide that there is no guarantee (nor even much likelihood) that a MTT is even on HRT.

The definition of rape in the UK requires a penis so BigDeskBob is correct.

Gender dysphoria is real. That doesn't mean someone with gender dysphoria is actually the opposite sex.

Anorexia is real. That doesn't mean someone with anorexia is actually fat.

The definition of rape in the UK requires a penis so BigDeskBob is correct.

Just because that's the definition over here doesn't mean it's true, that's bloody vile. Here's to hoping your son never gets raped by a woman. Or comes out as trans. Or does anything to challenge your intolerance.

Rawr, stop now pet, you're sounding like a twat.

Great comeback! Explain to me why women can't rape, in a non condescending way, please!

The logic that 'they want to rape my children!' Could be said for lesbians too, since the belief used to be that they wanted to be men.
This is total homophobia. 1) lesbians are women, entitled to use women spaces and there are no reports of lesbians committing voyeuristic offences or sexual assaulting women in bathrooms- that is a very male crime; 2) rape is penetration by a penis and lesbians by definition don't have a penis UNLESS they are MTT 3) rape/sexual assault is about power, not sexual attraction
I am fucking sick of this lesbophobic attitude that gets trotted out on these threads.

Just because that's the definition over here doesn't mean it's true

Well yes it kinda does. Words have meanings. Rape means putting your penis into someone else's body without their consent. You are correct, rape is vile.

Here's to hoping your son never gets raped by a woman

That would be impossible unless you are including MTT in your definition of 'woman' (in which case I would dearly love to hear your definition of 'woman'). He could be sexually assaulted by a woman and the most severe cases of sexual assault carry the same penalties as rape. It's not very likely though, given that almost all sexual violence is committed by men.

Or comes out as trans.

I hope so too. Living with MH issues is a total bastard.

Or does anything to challenge your intolerance.

Certain things should not be tolerated.

Here's to hoping your son never gets raped by a woman. Or comes out as trans. Or does anything to challenge your intolerance.
Oh not an MRA. Not at all

According to Uk law only a penis can rape rape and sexual assault (which can be by either sex) carries the same term sentencing.

That would be impossible unless you are including MTT in your definition of 'woman' (in which case I would dearly love to hear your definition of 'woman'). He could be sexually assaulted by a woman and the most severe cases of sexual assault carry the same penalties as rape. It's not very likely though, given that almost all sexual violence is committed by men.

Impossible even if the incident happened in a country where the legal definition of rape is different?

I am fucking sick of this lesbophobic attitude that gets trotted out on these threads.

Me too.