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Caitlyn Jenner

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Terfinator · 10/04/2017 23:44

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4398858/Caitlyn-Jenner-underwent-gender-reassignment-surgery.html

(Yes, it's the DM - because it's one of the only news sources which is balanced on the trans issue)

Saint Caitlyn has a book coming out in which she reveals that she HAS had gender reassessment surgery. I think a few people on here thought that they hadn't.

Anyway, the DM have some interesting pictures which show how trans surgery works.

As always, the comments are very telling... Fair play to the DM for keeping them open!

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PhyllisNights · 22/04/2017 20:12

Wait a minute, since when did women not sexually assault men or other women? They do. I'm not saying the percentages are the same, but everyone seems so fixated on the fact that trans women are the problem, like they're the enemy.

Datun · 22/04/2017 20:13

I honestly just believe your concerned mothers and that it comes from a place of love. I just hope you'll be loving and accepting of your children if they turn out to be something that isn't considered the norm. I know I'll love my baby regardless of whether they'll be straight, gay, bisexual, trans or whatever else.

Phyllis there are simply loads of women on here who are lesbian, who have children who are gay or lesbian. It's not the same as trans. Being homosexual is a sexual orientation, not an identity. They are not interchangeable on any level.

Parents of trans children have come on here and thanked us 'bigoted' women for our support. They have been left high and dry because of the trans-ideology which drives them head long towards a lifelong programme of treatment and sterilisation for their children. They are petrified.

Please, please try and sort out the difference between transsexual people and transactivists. And what they are pushing for. They are diametrically opposed.

Do you really think that feminists, who fight for minorities and have analyised discrimination to the nth degree, would seriously just abandon all their principles for no reason?

No one wants to discriminate against trans-people. We are not asking them to go to the end of the garden and eat worms. All we are saying is don't take away women's rights. That's all it is.

venusinscorpio · 22/04/2017 20:14

"Wait a minute, I've just had a brilliant idea for a killer argument!" Straight out of an MRA textbook.

IAmEatingACurry · 22/04/2017 20:14

Wait a minute, since when did women not sexually assault men or other women?

Hmm
DJBaggySmalls · 22/04/2017 20:14

venusinscorpio You beat me to it.

venusinscorpio · 22/04/2017 20:15

Gotta be quick on this thread Grin

PhyllisNights · 22/04/2017 20:16

MRA? I just had to google that. I am not a male activist at all! The only straight men in my life are my husband and my brother. Other than that? The men I come across at work. Literally all of my social group is women.

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 22/04/2017 20:17

phyliss

I just hope you'll be loving and accepting of your children if they turn out to be something that isn't considered the norm. I know I'll love my baby regardless of whether they'll be straight, gay, bisexual, trans or whatever else

What a load of patronising bollocks

You are being very rude, loads of people posting about their point of view and you are ignoring it all because you dont like the look of it?

And then everyone needs to look at your links and arguements ?

Rude!

noeffingidea · 22/04/2017 20:18

phyllis seeing as you earlier cited Whoopi Goldberg as a source for your claim that no women have been sexually assaulted by transwomen in women's spaces ,could you address the issue of her being a rape apologist? Surely that would indicate she is not a reliable source on this issue?

WankingMonkey · 22/04/2017 20:18

8Wait a minute, since when did women not sexually assault men or other women? They do. I'm not saying the percentages are the same, but everyone seems so fixated on the fact that trans women are the problem, like they're the enemy.*

Who said females never assault males or other females? They do, but nowhere near as often as males do this.

I don't think transwomen are the enemy. I think they commit crime at the same rate as other males, and as such, (as a group, not on an individual level) should not be granted access to female only areas...for safety of the females. You know, like how females are separated from all males due to horrific crime rates?

What do you think of males going to female prisons? And sports, what should happen with transwomen there? Transmen are not a problem as they do not have an advantage over the males like males do over females.

IAmEatingACurry · 22/04/2017 20:18

MRA? I just had to google that.

Yeah right.

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 22/04/2017 20:19

I have also spelt your name wrong Phyllis

Which has taken the wind out of my sails slightly as that is also rude

But not as rude as you are being

WankingMonkey · 22/04/2017 20:20

Since you are so concerned about transmen...please find me ONE report of a transman attacking a male in a male loo/changing room/whatever. I doubt you will find one. Kind of like how there seem to be no reports of males attacking transwomen in loos either . But there are loads of reports of transwomen committing crimes in female areas. Funny that...

PhyllisNights · 22/04/2017 20:20

Trans people should be protected in jail with their own sections. I know that wouldn't be possible in every prison due to the percentages, but this about be accommodating to minorities.

Sports? Why not? We have the Paralympics, but I think it'd be very wrong to have trans only competitions or expect a trans woman to be on a male team and vice versa.

WankingMonkey · 22/04/2017 20:21

The 'but women do it too' argument really riles me. Of course some females do bad things. But nowhere near the rate of males.

PhyllisNights · 22/04/2017 20:22

IAmEatingACurry, I did have to google and it didn't come up so had to google it again with mumsnet included. I do not spend my life online or spend my life on here, so I do not know acronyms off by heart, and it SO frustrating to post on this forum when everyone is using so many of them.

WankingMonkey · 22/04/2017 20:22

Sports? Why not? We have the Paralympics, but I think it'd be very wrong to have trans only competitions or expect a trans woman to be on a male team and vice versa.

So you think its fair for males to compete against females? Why? Why even bother having female sports if males can enter and dominate?

IAmEatingACurry · 22/04/2017 20:22

Sports? Why not? We have the Paralympics, but I think it'd be very wrong to have trans only competitions or expect a trans woman to be on a male team and vice versa.

Okay now I know for sure that you are on a wind up Grin

WankingMonkey · 22/04/2017 20:23

Actually, your point about paralympics (not sure why that was brought up?) leads to an interesting question that ties in with all of this.

What would you think of 'trans-abled' people entering the paralympics? Its no different to allowing transwomen to compete against females afterall..

PencilsInSpace · 22/04/2017 20:23

I am so fucked off we now have to go over this basic shit time and time again. 98% of sexual offences are committed by men.

Caitlyn Jenner
venusinscorpio · 22/04/2017 20:24

think it'd be very wrong to have trans only competitions or expect a trans woman to be on a male team and vice versa.

Yes it's clearly so much wronger than letting poor male athletes who are unable to win against other men cheat and beat women.

PhyllisNights · 22/04/2017 20:26

"What would you think of 'trans-abled' people entering the paralympics? Its no different to allowing transwomen to compete against females afterall.."

And this is where I leave the conversation. I am gobsmacked. Goodbye.

venusinscorpio · 22/04/2017 20:27

Okay now I know for sure that you are on a wind up

Yes, I think so too. Worth replying though because there are people who don't understand why what she says is wrong.

venusinscorpio · 22/04/2017 20:28

Mum just said tea's done.

WankingMonkey · 22/04/2017 20:28

And this is where I leave the conversation. I am gobsmacked. Goodbye.

Why?! Whats wrong with the question? Do you not see the similarities? Its all about feelings...not reality. Transwomen are male, yet you agree with them competing against females and think its wrong to have a trans category.

Or is the problem that you have now realised how unfair it is to let males compete against females. So you can no longer argue your case...

Hmm...

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