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Nordic Model on the Big Questions tomorrow

314 replies

LauraMipsum · 01/04/2017 20:43

The BBC's political equivalent of Jeremy Kyle is hosting "has the time come to decriminalise sex work" tomorrow morning.

I'm going to be in the audience; if anyone wants to support the Nordic model voice via twitter please do!

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LassWiTheDelicateAir · 03/04/2017 00:27

You make my flesh creep.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 03/04/2017 00:29

Sorry, my post was referring to the punter poster obviously, not Fritz

FritzDonovan · 03/04/2017 00:30

Grin thx lass, I agree with you!

CharlieSierra · 03/04/2017 07:41

Oh, I thought he just had 'goady fucker' disorder

Surely that's the case?

GenderEqualityAdvocate · 03/04/2017 08:12

This reminds me of when Emma Thompson, the child stealer Kate Winslett and Meryl Streep all protested because Amnesty came out in favour of decriminalisation.

Entitled women, all very successful, out of touch with reality and oblivious as to why all women could not just follow their example and make millions in a nice feminist approved manner.

Selling sex is everywhere. Every country, every culture. It is not a mere cultural thing. Even in a matriarchal society where women had all the power you would still have women using sex for financial gain. It is just further feminist misandry to think you can criminalise men for wanting sex with women who make it readily available.

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 03/04/2017 08:21

Mask is slipping a bit there

You might just need to adjust it slightly

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 03/04/2017 08:21

No my mistake

It's completely fallen off

ChocChocPorridge · 03/04/2017 08:33

I am the only person here with first hand experience

You have first hand experience of buying sex, not of selling it. Therefore all you can talk about is the abusive man experience, not the abused woman.

I've been raped by someone I thought was my boyfriend, I've been pressured for sex by men who wanted a shag and didn't want to hear me say no. So I've been on the other side of this. I most certainly do have first hand experience. I can well imagine how it feels to be waiting in my flat for some creepy dude to come and want me to suck his penis, and for me to have to be nice to him so he doesn't hurt me and more than the sex, and to make him think I like him so he comes back and I can pay my rent.

Sounds pretty grim to me - no need of steel doors when poverty has you in a cage anyway.

You continue exploiting women and thinking you're some kind of good guy. We'll continue seeing you for what you are.

Edsheeranalbumparty · 03/04/2017 08:52

It is just further feminist misandry to think you can criminalise men for wanting sex with women who make it readily available

Awwwww yes poor blokes - all they are trying to do is help a girl earn a crust.

GenderEqualityAdvocate · 03/04/2017 08:54

Good guy? Where have I tried to say I am one of those? I am being honest and upfront about what is a selfish, ego driven activity.

Some of you are very sensitive around sex and I understand that. For other people, men and women, we are able to compartmentalise different human activities and cut off emotion driven reactions and just get a kick out of no strings attached sex. Sex with a complete stranger does not always have to be scary. Once you get over the risk factor it is one hell of an adrenaline rush.

You would criminalise the men who think this way and do not share your belief system? That just shows intolerance.

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 03/04/2017 09:13

ome of you are very sensitive around sex and I understand that

Confused

Do you have comprehension problems

No one here cares who you have sex with...we are saying that men who pay for prostitution should be criminalised

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 03/04/2017 09:17

Well some of us

Not all of us

GenderEqualityAdvocate · 03/04/2017 09:24

Yes I can see that. This place is a bastion of intolerance and hatred. You only need to skim through one of the transphobic threads to see your true colours. People who dislike diversity and cannot tolerate any deviation from your own worldview.

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 03/04/2017 09:28

I dont think any of us are transphobic either

Are you having a tantrum?

GuardianLions · 03/04/2017 09:41

I thought he just had 'goady fucker' disorder
I now agree and see MRA aping TRA 'I'll top myself you murdeers! ' bs.
I still think there is something amiss though- he maybe trying to disclose NPD with all that 'poor impulse control' lingo.

scallopsrgreat · 03/04/2017 09:56

This place is a bastion of intolerance and hatred. Says the person who is quite willing to abuse women.

Dervel · 03/04/2017 10:16

Is it entirely wise to cut off emotions and compartmentalise in any circumstance where you may come across someone vulnerable and exploited? And also a bit horrible if you end up putting your dick in them?

ChocChocPorridge · 03/04/2017 10:37

Good guy? Where have I tried to say I am one of those? I am being honest and upfront about what is a selfish, ego driven activity.

Well, you started off in the thread making out it was all about women's safety, carried on with that you're helping these women who are in poverty, then further that some of them actually like you and want to go to lunch with you - you're certainly trying to paint some kind of picture that doesn't reflect reality.

I think that probably grabbing hold of someone's hand and jumping off a building with them would be quite an adrenaline rush too, or driving a motorbike fast (something I've personally done, and look back on with horror at the danger I was putting myself and other people in). I think that lots of things are adrenaline rushes, but if they hurt other people, that makes them bad things to do, and makes the people who do them (hurt other people for an adrenaline rush) sound like the sociopaths they clearly are.

I'm a mother - I'm fairly au fait with sex, and the risks that I would be taking having sex with strangers - which are significantly higher than yours I might add.

GenderEqualityAdvocate · 03/04/2017 10:38

Dervel you should really spend time around some sex workers. They are rarely "vulnerable and exploited". The ones I know have big houses, no mortgage, nice car, posh clothes and multiple holidays. If I was to talk about them as you do they would quickly put me right. In fact most of them if you piss them off are pretty good at handling themselves and would probably just knee you in the bollocks or punch you out.

They are strong confident women who do not enjoy being labelled "victims".

MercyMyJewels · 03/04/2017 10:43

What sort of man comes on to a women's site to tell us how we are intolerant of his desire to pay for sex? Not any man I would want to know. Do fuck off back to your pond

GenderEqualityAdvocate · 03/04/2017 10:46

Now that is a good angle to take this. Risk. Also a reason why I advocate safer establishments for all.

You see this from the woman's side but have you ever imagined how it is for a guy entering an unknown premises or hotel room not knowing what awaits. It is dangerous. Guys get robbed beaten up, sexually assaulted and blackmailed. You never know if a boyfriend is going to beat you up or stab you. I have had a woman pull a condom off midway and then force unprotected vaginal sex on me. It was sexual assault but of course I cannot go to the police.

As a 10 stone, 5'6 guy I am an easy target for anyone who wants to harm and rob me.

Safety for women means safety for all.

AssassinatedBeauty · 03/04/2017 10:50

Here's an idea, don't use prostitutes if you're concerned about your physical safety.

Funnily enough, being concerned about men who use prostitutes safety is nowhere near even the bottom of my list of things to care about.

Dervel · 03/04/2017 10:51

Maybe so, but you do at least concede that it rarely happens so 1 in a 100 or maybe 1 in 1000. Point is even if it is a rarity and you see maybe one prostitute in your life then maybe there is little risk but if you do it again and again the chances of you meeting such a person becomes a mathematical certainty. I wouldn't want to take that risk personally.

I missed your earlier post about how without sex with prostitutes would leave you depressed and suicidal. What on earth has gone wrong in your life that has left you in such desperate need to self medicate with a sex addiction? If you wish you can message me and if I can I'll do my best to help you.

NotCarylChurchill · 03/04/2017 11:11

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GenderEqualityAdvocate · 03/04/2017 11:20

Only feminist for the most part shun sex work and are not comfortable paying so really it an area of society and human behaviour that you do not have much of an insight into and no real stake in. Leave it to women who work in the industry to push for laws. The ECP seem to be exactly the people who should be framing laws.