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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

I'm Jenni Murray

721 replies

MercyMyJewels · 05/03/2017 18:51

Can we show our support for Jenni? I think she will be in for a kicking tomorrow

Thanks Jenni, for your bravery in speaking the truth

  • I'm Jenni Murray
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DrinkFeckArseGirls · 06/03/2017 10:40

There's no need to say "real" women - "women" suffice.

micknordic · 06/03/2017 10:54

I'm Jenni Murray too!
Except I am not, because I am a man, so I can never be someone who is a woman... but you know what I mean : -)

micknordic · 06/03/2017 10:55

DrinkFeckArseGirls - I use "actual woman" if I need to make it clear that I am talking about someone who really is a woman, and not just a bloke who thinks he is a woman.

Smoothyloopy · 06/03/2017 11:02

I totally agree with Jenni

Digitaldolly · 06/03/2017 11:48

Brilliant post.

Digitaldolly · 06/03/2017 11:49

That was to namechangespartacusmurray by the way.

Lalsy · 06/03/2017 12:02

Yes, great post NameChangeSpartacusMurray. I hope WH read it (or someone sends it to them).

CroakingCrocus · 06/03/2017 12:03

I am also Jenni Murray and have just emailed Women's Hour in support.

BarrackerBarma · 06/03/2017 12:07

I've emailed WH too.

boogiewoogiebaby · 06/03/2017 12:18

me too!

MakemineaGandT · 06/03/2017 12:19

Thanks NamechangeSpartacusMurray

Your post at 8.45 absolutely nailed the whole issue I think. Hope WH read that.

CaoNiMartacus · 06/03/2017 12:49

I've just emailed to register my support.

I greatly respect idolise Jenni Murray. If the BBC even considers sacking her, I will be boycotting them.

NauticalDisaster · 06/03/2017 12:58

I'm with her and will write to the BBC as well.

Ineedmorelemonpledge · 06/03/2017 13:21

Another email sent.

I wish I had the eloquent writing style of so many posters on here. If I did I'd set up a petition on Change in support of her.

I am Jenni Murray and so is my uterus.

Heathen4Hire · 06/03/2017 13:31

I'm Jenni Murray as well.

You can't change biology.

I will be emailing in 🙂.

seafoodeatit · 06/03/2017 13:57

Jenni has my full support and admiration.

JessesGirl · 06/03/2017 14:02

I too am fully behind Jenni Murray and will email WH later this evening.

Terfinator · 06/03/2017 14:07

Any Reddit Terfs around to add some much-needed logic to this thread?

www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/5xnjaa/jenni_murray_trans_women_shouldnt_call_themselves/

PlonitbatPlonit · 06/03/2017 14:31

So great to see so many of you saying "I'm Jenni Murray" and also writing in to Women's Hour individually - that's brilliant. A woman I know has put together a joint letter (text below), which has received over a hundred signatories so far just by approaching women privately. If you would like your name added then message me before this evening and I will pass it on to be added to the letter before sent at the end of play today. It will be sent to the BBC, not published.

"I've put the following letter together to counter the inevitable calls to sack Murray. Please do add your name (& any org you represent). I'll aim to send it off by tomorrow night. Please feel free to share it and PM me with names of any others who ask to be included.
No names will be published.

Dear BBC,

Support of Jenni

There will undoubtedly be calls for Jenni Murray to leave her position with the BBC following her article of 5th March in the Sunday Times about trans women.

Whether her comments were ‘hurtful’ as Stonewall claim is irrelevant. Murray was bravely sharing her experience as a woman, a feminist and a broadcaster who has navigated a male-dominated society to enjoy a successful career.

Of course trans women have their own hurdles, but those who have spent their formative years as men will not understand the impact of the casual and institutional sexism that women are born into. That some trans women feel justified in wanting to silence Murray speaks volumes about the reality of the different ways men and women are taught and expected to behave.
It is perhaps noteworthy that Murray has made these remarks at the age of 66 with a robust and respected career to bolster her. How many others share her thoughts but are prevented from speaking out for fear of causing offence and sparking a hostile reaction?

To date the BBC has been remiss in its duty to 'educate, inform and entertain’ regarding the ideology behind gender identity. It seems the lobbying activities of groups such as Stonewall and Transmedia Watch have stymied debate, and vilified those who do not share the same viewpoint.

We stand in support of Jenni Murray, and in support of free speech. Please do not cave into the demands to end Murray’s career. The BBC has few older women in positions of seniority, and it would be to the detriment of both audiences and the reputation of the BBC if you were to remove her from post.
Yours,"

venusinscorpio · 06/03/2017 14:39

Terfinator, for the most part they just sound like a lot of clueless mansplainers. I'm not sure logic will do much good.

ExConstance · 06/03/2017 14:46

100% support from me too.

nicotiana · 06/03/2017 14:47

I'm with Jenni Murray too - let's all support her. I can't understand why anyone even debates this daft thing - it's sex, biology, hormones and then our lived experience that makes us women, not pink clothes, makeup and heels. Anyone, as far as I am concerned, can call themselves what they like, dress how they like and, so long as not hurting children or animals, do as they damn well like. But trans women are not and never can be and never will be biological women. End of.
Go Jenni

OverthinkingSpartacus · 06/03/2017 14:47

Just adding my support for Jenni.

Im beginning to think free speech is a myth if someone can actually lose their job for correctly saying it's not possible to change sex.

I'm going to comment on the discussion threads later today once Dd is bed.

TheQuestingVole · 06/03/2017 14:52

I am Spartacus Murray

Have emailed Women's Hour.

HumphreyCobblers · 06/03/2017 15:08

I have emailed WOmen's Hour.

Well done Jenni.