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Transgender Documentary on BBC2 Thursday 2100 "Transgender Kids: Who Knows best?"

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 06/01/2017 08:09

Looks like an interesting watch, that does not just accept the trans children or they will kill themselves rhetoric. I just hope the BBC actually do show it and aren't bullied into not showing it.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b088kxbw

The blurb:

Around the world there has been a huge increase in the number of children being referred to gender clinics - boys saying they want to be girls and vice versa. Increasingly, parents are encouraged to adopt a 'gender affirmative' approach - fully supporting their children's change of identity. But is this approach right?

In this challenging documentary, BBC Two's award-winning This World strand travels to Canada, where one of the world's leading experts in childhood gender dysphoria (the condition where children are unhappy with their biological sex) lost his job for challenging the new orthodoxy that children know best. Speaking on TV for the first time since his clinic was closed, Dr Kenneth Zucker believes he is a victim of the politicisation of transgender issues. The film presents evidence that most children with gender dysphoria eventually overcome the feelings without transitioning and questions the science behind the idea that a boy could somehow be born with a 'female brain' or vice versa. It also features 'Lou' - who was born female and had a double mastectomy as part of transitioning to a man. She now says it is a decision that 'haunts' her and feels that her gender dysphoria should have been treated as a mental health issue.

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fieldofschemes · 12/01/2017 21:31

What's with all the black and white 1950's stereotypical boy/girl imagery segments too. Hmm

Blerg · 12/01/2017 21:31

Thanks ItsAll

Thelilywhite · 12/01/2017 21:33

Zucker seems like a sensitive psychologist talking sense based on scientific research.

fieldofschemes · 12/01/2017 21:34

I hope they go on to explore how robust those suicide stats are.

HalfShellHero · 12/01/2017 21:38

Surely giving children puberty blockers is considered abusive? So disturbing...

Blerg · 12/01/2017 21:42

I'm so conflicted about this topic advice and I've thought of myself as accepting but Zucker's and Singh the only ones not to see gender as interests and appearance only. Or at least in the edit.

fieldofschemes · 12/01/2017 21:43

It's just so sad that kids are so bombarded with gender stereotypes at such a young age that they can't see the wood for the trees.

Bambambini · 12/01/2017 21:43

Shon - is that Shon Faye?

If so, I've followed Shon on Twitter in the past. Hasn't been Trans long and is a whole see saw wreck - often closing down their account after going off on one. Has mental health issues and can be quite abusive. Shon is a very mixrd up person.

BBCNewsRave · 12/01/2017 21:45

Watching on catch up, about 20 mins in. What a load of tripe.

Trans activist: children will die, he's practising conversion therapy...
Zucker: No I'm not.

Thats about it so far. FFS.

Ifitquackslikeaduck · 12/01/2017 21:45

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BBCNewsRave · 12/01/2017 21:46

Oops, posted too soon...
Why aren't they questioning stats? Why didn't they include him explaining why is ISN'T conversion therapy?
Why the hell were trans activists worried about this documentary?

Hoping it becomes apparent soon.

fieldofschemes · 12/01/2017 21:47

Oh god the whole ladybrain Shiite Angry

Ifitquackslikeaduck · 12/01/2017 21:48

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fieldofschemes · 12/01/2017 21:49

Social and biological interaction. Whodda thunk it!

Kennington · 12/01/2017 21:51

The female prof scientist is great.
The arguments need to stand up to scrutiny.
A good debate is required.

BBCNewsRave · 12/01/2017 21:53

Ifit Yes and referring to "sex change" which is biologically impossible.

Thelilywhite · 12/01/2017 21:53

agreed kennington did anyone get her name?

illegitimateMortificadospawn · 12/01/2017 21:54

Hormone therapy is a bit coy IMO. Puberty blockers is more honest.

BBCNewsRave · 12/01/2017 21:55

And why does trans children being suicidal seem to matter more than other vulnerable groups of children being suicidal? (eg. abused children)

I'll shut up now and have a Wine

SeekEveryEveryKnownHidingPlace · 12/01/2017 21:57

Twitter on this is basically a welter of post -truth post-fact 'had enough of experts' horseshit. Kids know best my arse.

charlestrenet · 12/01/2017 21:57

Love love the neuro doctor. I came close to chucking my cuppa at the telly on hearing "affirmation treatment".

fieldofschemes · 12/01/2017 21:58

Kennington Absolutely. I'm hoping this documentary will introduce a more nuanced approach to transgender ideology.

fieldofschemes · 12/01/2017 22:01

It's just so sad seeing children becoming so warped by societal expectations.

Oblomov16 · 12/01/2017 22:03

Well this was a poor debate. Skirted round the issues.
It is a very complex issue. No one wants a child who is absolutely positive that they want to have surgery, to be denied, but likewise we cant give out hormones and surgery willy nilly.

charlestrenet · 12/01/2017 22:03

Lou's story is heartbreaking.

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