Transgender Documentary on BBC2 Thursday 2100 "Transgender Kids: Who Knows best?"

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Looks like an interesting watch, that does not just accept the trans children or they will kill themselves rhetoric. I just hope the BBC actually do show it and aren't bullied into not showing it.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b088kxbw

The blurb:

Around the world there has been a huge increase in the number of children being referred to gender clinics - boys saying they want to be girls and vice versa. Increasingly, parents are encouraged to adopt a 'gender affirmative' approach - fully supporting their children's change of identity. But is this approach right?

In this challenging documentary, BBC Two's award-winning This World strand travels to Canada, where one of the world's leading experts in childhood gender dysphoria (the condition where children are unhappy with their biological sex) lost his job for challenging the new orthodoxy that children know best. Speaking on TV for the first time since his clinic was closed, Dr Kenneth Zucker believes he is a victim of the politicisation of transgender issues. The film presents evidence that most children with gender dysphoria eventually overcome the feelings without transitioning and questions the science behind the idea that a boy could somehow be born with a 'female brain' or vice versa. It also features 'Lou' - who was born female and had a double mastectomy as part of transitioning to a man. She now says it is a decision that 'haunts' her and feels that her gender dysphoria should have been treated as a mental health issue.

Thanks, Empress. It's a horrible quote and I'm sad to see the BBC pandering to this gobbledygook.

Sometimes she's born in a male body like I was, but our histories do not define us. I refuse to be limited by mine in the same way people do not want their past crimes or disabilities or embarrassments to define who they are today

But our past crimes, disabilities and embarrassments and how we deal with them are we are and what defines us. That is what life is. You can't draw a line and start again. Life is too short. They have a lot to learn

But they can draw a line, to a degree. Gabrielle Ludwig got another chance at college basketball at the age of 52. Seems Ludwig wasn't entitled to play sccording to regs but did get another go as a woman. Sex offenders have also avoided jail because there new identy was just too problematic to deal with.

OldBoots I'm glad things are changing. It was a long time ago that I was at school 😬. And also glad that your daughter didn't get sucked into believing she was trans, that must be a massive relief for you too

Changing one's name can have the effect of drawing a line, especially if crime was committed under the old name. And the insistence on not "dead-naming" reinforces this.

Cheryl Tweedy is a good non-trans example of that.

Even if you get rid of the paperwork and the 'image', you are still 'you'. What you have done and what has been done to you will affect how you deal with whatever comes your way and you can't get rid of that. It makes you who you are. People spend millions on counselling to try and come to terms with it and learn from it. Some people spend their lives running away from the bit they don't like until in the end they realise it is part of them.

The things I see from young people wanting to transition and the information given them does not seem very grounded to me. I worry that they are being shown the moon, then being given a lifetime of medical crap and living in a situation where they are neither one thing nor the other.

I can't pretend to know anything about Cheryl Tweedy - as far as I am concerned, she is the same face in the same papers with different names from time to time.

I immediately associate the name Cheryl Tweedy with assaulting someone in a nightclub. I think there was a question as to whether it was racially motivated but she wasn't convicted of the racist part. I don't think of that history when I hear/see one of her later names.

There was a young woman on tumblr who has detransitioned who was saying she found it easier to get a prescription for testosterone at the age of 15 than she had to get a prescription for one month worth of birth control pills to delay her period because she was going on holiday 😳

Ailynn thank you for your very sensitive post on Fri 27-Jan-17 12:11:52.

Poppyred85 "I genuinely don't know what the solution is for trans women." I don't either but I do know I felt a lot more sympathetic and on the side of trans women before people started saying that there was no difference, trans women are women, full stop, kind of argument! That helped to stop me in my tracks! Plus while I am much happier for trans girls and women who have been through some sort of assessment etc and adults who are on some programme of transitioning - for people who just identify one day, I feel a lot less sympathetic.

"However, it does not sit well with me then that transwomen such as Ailynn may face male violence if using "male" changing rooms."

I totally agree. I don't want to see anyone vulnerable to attack.

Ciera Taylor: 'I'm happy and proud to be trans' does seem to be someone who would have been an 'old fashioned transexual' as opposed to a new trans person.

CharlieSierra, yes I read the bit by Gwen. Gwen doesn't come across the same to me as Ciera.

When Gwen is speaking about a woman to me it is not speaking of what a woman is, Gwen is speaking of a person in general. A woman has a female body and that body has certain elements that both bring joy and sorrow but most of all are unique to our sex.

We will all be limited by our bodies.

I think the positives of being a woman are really just biological. Most of the negatives are actually not innate but the things society puts onto women.