Glamour Magazine allows transwoman to redefine feminism

[MrsJamin]

Call yourself a feminist? Our transgender columnist Juno Dawson's here to see if you really pass the test

And calls women who don't "TERFs". Thanks, Glamour and Jo Elvin, thanks a lot.

MTT is Male to Trans
FTT is Female to Trans

A Male and Female are biological and no one can change sex, hence these people change from their original sex to trans. i.e. Still the same sex but with differences related to feelings, cross sex hormones, breasts or genitals.

If I were her, I would have let them labour under the impression she's an intern.

I looked at her Twitter - the last few days have been moaning about the fact they didn't make Bono woman if the year but man of the year and why doesn't anyone realise that, duh.

I'd argue that if that many people have misunderstood, then it's your poor communication that's at fault, rather than their understanding.

I wonder if Conde Nast will be having words with Jo Elvin? Their readership is overwhelmingly ABC1 women with an average age of 30. Will they appreciate being told they're doing feminism wrong by someone who was a gay man until last year? Or that Bono, a man who doesn't pay his tax and is a serial adulterer is a great feminist icon. Doubtful.

Oh this thread alone, people have cancelled their subscriptions on the basis of this editorial decision.

I'd be worried if I were her.

Thanks ageing and babies.

Bono? Huh?

So, when was the last time they made a woman Woman of the Year?

Have I fallen through a wormhole again?

I doubt they are worried, sadly.

I think they are in their little ivory tower, convinced that they are right on. The more they are challenged, the more they will cling to their crazy and misguided ideas.

Rather like when MN is invaded by MRAs. Nobody here suddenly says, "hang on, they've got a point".

I think they will be applauding themselves and thinking they have just prodded a TERFY bee's nest but that they are right, more open minded, more sophisticated than those stupid MNers who think silly retrograde things like having a penis makes you a man.

Honestly, I don't think they have the mental bandwidth to get to grips with the true issues and arguments. They do work for Glamour, after all, a magazine filled with articles about beauty rituals and how skinny jeans are now a disaster or whatever.

But then I have never bought Glamour so I might be wrong on their content. But it makes it hard for me to boycott them!

almondpudding I hope you're right that it's going to make a load more people hit #peaktrans. More people need to see that granting trans people rights to redefine other people is wrong.

It is terribly rabbit holish, isn't it? On the Glamour twitter feed, they write "We are lucky to have Juno writing for us and sharing her experience." Lucky? Even if you take out the misogyny, the accusations, the use of terf, Glamour magazine folks are seriously deluded to think themselves lucky to have a columnist who is such a terrible writer. Such turgid, juvenile dross. I cannot believe they think this stuff is quality writing.

I foresee next month's editorial being along the lines of "Last month's column from our wonderful writer Juno was one of the most read this year. It's really important for women to support other women and we are so lucky to have her writing for us"

I agree.
They won't back down, they can't back down, look at MN.

Glamour will be much too scared that the wrath of Juno's girlfriends will rain down on them if they back down.
One easy way not to be called a TERF is to call other people TERF and align with the aggressors.

Paffle thanks for posting that bit from Life of Brian upthread...It's eerie and scary how that exact level of batshitness is now being fed and nurtured by the mainstream.

I'm actually starting to think about reclaiming TERF in the way of so many derogatory terms originally applied to oppressed minority groups. "TERF and proud" anyone?

You can get to fuck with your offensive transplaining, 'Juno'.

Finally RTT, article etc had to comment.

I am a rare MN poster, and a mother of children of both sexes. I have huge sympathy for humans of either sex who feel uncomfortable in their bodies. But for my children's sakes I can no longer say nothing while some men try to take away one thing women own as an absolute right: the ability to define what it means to be a woman.

Transgender 'women' seem to 'identify as a woman' based on their perceptions of what being a woman is, which appears to equate to mainly changing their outward appearance. This is the sex equivalent of 'black-face' - labia face?? Putting on my clothes and pretending to be me does not equate to understanding my experience because I did not choose to be a woman; I AM a woman, however I choose to live my life I will always be a woman. Same for men, remaining men. This is science, not oppression.

The anti-woman rhetoric (TERF, cis, threats of violence if we don't play nice, etc) is typically male anti-women behaviour. This is exactly the kind of behaviour that means we need our women-only safe spaces.

Check out this brilliant post about Transplaining which says it so well 'Trans women are women, because as far as men are concerned, women are just castrated, defective men, and at any rate women are so inconsequential and ethereal that they literally have no properties.' scumorama.wordpress.com/2012/06/27/mansplaining-and-transplaning-defined/

They've picked their sides, ridiculous actually, because if they just kept Juno talking about how hard it is to be a laydee choosing a name and learning how to apply makeup, they wouldn't and couldn't have had this backlash. They've just massively sped up the process.

I'm actually starting to think about reclaiming TERF in the way of so many derogatory terms originally applied to oppressed minority groups. "TERF and proud" anyone

I agree actually. If disagreeing with the sentiment that men can magically become women somehow (whether that's through wearing a dress, chopping your cock and balls off or doing nothing except declaring that you're a woman) makes me a TERF, then so be it.

I disagree. We aren't trans exclusionary because we include "transmen" as being women. Terf is a slur and should not be accepted.

Juno apparently is attracted to men. Perhaps he could spend his time telling straight men they should accept his female penis rather than telling women how to do feminism.

I'm not radical either. I'm just a F thanks.

I posted a comment to that Jayne Pea person, who decided to link me to my own page. Cherry then pointed out that he was suggesting that because I'm honest about my mental health my argument must be irrelevant. What an absolute bellend.

I can't believe that "having a penis makes you man" is now an extremeist view!

" that Jayne Pea person "

is that the one that says we are 'shitheels'?
I also had a look at his facebook page and he doesnt look that well himself, tbh.

Oh the charming and erudite Jayne Pea? He really is a treat.

But then who can fault his logic? You disagree with trans ideology? You're a shit heel - there is just no arguing with such well thought through counter arguments is there?

Juno's writing is reminiscent of Adrian Mole 13 3/4, but without the nuance and irony.

Perhaps he could spend his time telling straight men they should accept his female penis rather than telling women how to do feminism.

Yes the day this shit is forced onto men is when it truly will be over.

I can't see it ever being forced onto men though..much easier to blame women

This article actually made me angry. The comments were fantastic except the few expected 'terfs shitfaces' and whatever.

Am I wrong to be slightly hopeful that more will start waking up to the bullshit the more mainstream this gets? This article could well lead to those who were ignorant of it all searching 'terf' and such. I mean, thats what put me into my current position. My search term was 'cotton ceiling' that I read on one of the Ada Wells threads...and then it went from there.

I've written direct to Glamour and Conde Naste. I've bought the magazine since it's launch and feel like I grew up with it at the same time it grew up with me.

I have a tween DD who has recently started dipping into it. No more.

Well the new feminism looks lovely. Women carefully bending over backwards and fucking themselves over to make literally everyone else happy but themselves, but ESPECIALLY men.
I have such lovely feminist friends who then come out with this trans shit and I'm like.... Really? It's pretty fucking hard to come out against this stuff publicly now as well, as you just get accused of being a bigot / transphobe / LITERALLY CAUSONG VIOLENCE AGAINST TRANS WOMEN.
I have a son and a daughter and I honestly can't BELEIVE this is the shit they are going to grow up with society telling them it's normal.

Maybe Glamour should team up with MN? They seem to be in the same page...