Glamour Magazine allows transwoman to redefine feminism

[MrsJamin]

Call yourself a feminist? Our transgender columnist Juno Dawson's here to see if you really pass the test

And calls women who don't "TERFs". Thanks, Glamour and Jo Elvin, thanks a lot.

[MrsJamin]

SomeDyke please don't use the word cis-male, male is male.

[SomeDyke]

"please don't use the word cis-male, male is male."
I know, I was just trying to make a distinction between males who present/identify as women/female, and males who don't. And ironically ended-up using the hated cis instead of non-trans................I should have used non-trans, the hated terminology has wormed it's way into my brain!

The only little point being that males who don't present as or identify as anything in particular don't give a fig, because it makes no damn difference to them at all! Why should they care? Mainly, seems they don't, or even notice, or just wonder why those silly laydees keep making such a fuss!

[ErrolTheDragon]

It's a bit of a catch-22 because 'non-trans' makes it sound like trans is the common state. (I wouldn't want to be referred to either as 'cis' or as a 'non-trans female' tbh ... 'woman' has worked well enough for over 5 decades.) In that context though, just 'males' would probably have worked.

[Mozfan1]

Trying to be nice my husband bought me the latest copy of glamour

Should I LTB?

[ErrolTheDragon]

Just roll it up and tap his nose with it a bit. He wasn't to know, just an innocent bystander.

[Mozfan1]

😅

Did come with a nice nail varnish though so swings and roundabouts I guess

[WelshMoth]

The comments under the Independent article don't exactly warm the cockles though

Can someone re post a link? Can't seem to find it.

#reachingpeaktrans

[shinynewusername]

Link here.

All the popular comments are now gender critical ones.

[TheCompanyOfCats]

I'm just re-animating this near-zombie thread to show you all the advert that's just come up as I was browsing MN!

[DeliciousIrony]

This person is telling me what a good feminist is, on the basis that they are a woman because...they have been taking oestrogen for 3 months? And the 'feels' of course

[andintothefire]

Sadly, there are probably women reading this right now who are like, "If it looks and sounds like a bloke, it's a bloke. If it's got a penis, it's a bloke."

Sadly? Seriously?

[andintothefire]

If it looks and sounds like a bloke, and has never faced the problems that having children bring as a woman, it is not a woman.

[EmpressOfTheSpartacusOceans]

If it looks and sounds like a bloke, and has never faced the problems that having children bring as a woman, it is not a woman.

Not all women can have / choose to have children though. Or am I misunderstanding you?

[andintothefire]

Empress - that's my (clumsily expressed point). It's ridiculous to start defining women by individual experience, look or sound. I don't know anybody who would say that "if somebody looks and sounds like a bloke, they are a bloke". Neither do I know anybody who would say that women who don't have children aren't really women. Gender isn't defined like that. It seemed to me to be a pointlessly reductive and deliberately inflammatory statement.

For all the supposed "trans bashing" on mumsnet, that isn't a statement that I have ever heard.

[Twogoats]

Has anyone had replies for the Glamour editor yet?

[StatisticallyChallenged]

I've not heard or seen that on MN either tbh. Possibly "if it's got a Penis it's a bloke"

That said - whilst pregnancy, childbirth and child rearing are not universal experiences of females some of the impacts occur whether you have or plan to have children ; being ruled out for promotion because you're at prime "sprogging up" age, not getting considered for jobs because assumptions are made based on age and sex...