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Glamour Magazine allows transwoman to redefine feminism

491 replies

MrsJamin · 04/11/2016 15:50

Call yourself a feminist? Our transgender columnist Juno Dawson's here to see if you really pass the test

And calls women who don't "TERFs". Thanks, Glamour and Jo Elvin, thanks a lot.

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Cocolepew · 05/11/2016 10:14

I had to go onto the Glamour webpage to find them.

CancellyMcChequeface · 05/11/2016 10:18

Well, yes - I'm looking here: www.glamourmagazine.co.uk/features/living-travel/2016/11/what-it-means-to-be-a-real-feminist and there's just Juno Dawson's article and then 'related stories' at the bottom.

JedRambosteen · 05/11/2016 10:19

Which I am sure Glamour are loving - the clickthroughs to the article must be off the chart. Mind you, it had to be seen to be believed.

OlennasWimple · 05/11/2016 10:27

Kat, the person in charge of the Glamour Twitter account, has responded to that piece by the social media editor linked to by Coco. (Kat is the Social Media Editor) She seems somewhat beleaguered by the reaction to the use of the term "TERF", and trots out some lame ass lines in response to the many complaints BTL.

I guess no publicity is bad publicity, but Glamour is getting more than its fair share right now

OlennasWimple · 05/11/2016 10:32

Cancelly - scroll past the related stories - the comments are right at the very bottom

ageingrunner · 05/11/2016 10:36

Poor old Juno has transitioned just at the point where people are starting to wake up and smell the coffee. A few years ago very few would have dared to question his claim to womanhood. Too many women are reaching peak trans now and refusing to stfu about this bullshit

TheHiphopopotamus · 05/11/2016 10:46

She seems somewhat beleaguered by the reaction to the use of the term "TERF", and trots out some lame ass lines in response to the many complaints BTL

My 'favourite' line from Kat's response was 'I'm sorry you feel that way about women' Hmm

venusinscorpio · 05/11/2016 11:00

I love the other 14 year old commenting. That must have taken the wind out of the first one's sails a bit, given that it's not all horrible old people who don't like Juno's column.

venusinscorpio · 05/11/2016 11:01

Kat Brown might as well have written #sorrynotsorry as her entire response.

MrsJamin · 05/11/2016 11:21

Those articles are brilliant. Who the hell does Kat Brown think she is, saying "I'm sorry you feel this way about women"? Juno has obviously charmed the pants off the Glamour UK office and they are very keen to be cool and hip with the trans narrative. I wish Jo Elvin would respond to all the criticism, all she has done on Twitter today is to tweet a photo of her dog!

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CancellyMcChequeface · 05/11/2016 11:22

Ah, I've figured it out - it was a browser issue. I switched to IE and can see them now. I'm pleased I did -the top comments to the article are very heartening.

Kat Brown's 'I'm sorry you feel that way about women' response is just bizarre. Confused

DanaBarrett · 05/11/2016 11:26

Glamour aren't actually responding to much. It's quite telling that they really don't have a clue.

shins · 05/11/2016 11:33

The comments are fantastic. Not "hateful" but full of righteous anger.

Kennington · 05/11/2016 11:34

I feel a bit sorry for Juno. It does sound like she has no idea what feminism means and the reference to pre-op trans people in loos being the major issue is odd.
She refers to women in a reductive manner and then calls women cis. If she was referred to as a feminine male she wouldn't like it either.
Good Luck to her and her choices but dictating to women how we should feel is daft.
But this article raises debate and that is a good thing.

user1475253854 · 05/11/2016 11:42

The comments are brilliant.

Yeah, my mum let me rifle through her drawer of barely used, old makeup, but that was about it.

She also taught me how to cook so I could manage at university, taught me how to do a budgeting spreadsheet, how to drive, how to wallpaper so it goes on straight. All whilst wearing sparkly nail varnish, flipping her hair about and interspersed with her tinkly laugh, natch.

shins · 05/11/2016 11:44

Kennington, I don't. James Dawson was an educated man in his mid-30s when he decided to "become a woman". If he's that clueless and ignorant it's his own fault.

Kennington · 05/11/2016 11:47

Shins: but so confused! I am a little sympathetic as the article is so off mark and confused.
Are they influential? If not I would write them off as being silly about feminism. I do gather they have written teen books though.

shins · 05/11/2016 12:22

Glamour is read by millions of women, so he's been handed a massive platform. They're even worse.

Greythornes · 05/11/2016 12:40

I really think the majority of people supporting trans issues have not thought it through. They are in favor of marriage equality, they defend gay rights and they think wrongly that men who want to live as women are just an extension of that live and let everyone live as they want rhetoric. They are in all probability unaware of the TERF discourse, the lies, the bullying.

And Glamour magazine have fallen lock stock and barrel into this trap. Now publishing columns by MTT misogynists, bringing TERF in to the mainstream and having their social media editor attack women.

almondpudding · 05/11/2016 12:45

This being in Glamour is the beginning of the end.

It has gone from odd hipster trend to appearing in a mainstream fashion magazine. Young people will move on to some new cause.

Greythornes · 05/11/2016 12:48

That response from the social media editor is classic. She tells women that they should be fine with TERF, but immediately picks up the blogger who calls her an intern because, you know, words are important and she's not an intern and doesn't want to be termed one.
It would be funny if the woman wasn't so tragically thick.

OurBlanche · 05/11/2016 12:58

Cancelley I couldn't see them using Firefox, but can in Explorer

OurBlanche · 05/11/2016 12:59

Sorry, should have scrolled further Smile

user1475253854 · 05/11/2016 13:02

What does MTT stand for? I assume the word male and trans are involved, but what's the second T?

ageingrunner · 05/11/2016 13:04

user, it's 'to' used as a more accurate alternative to 'male to female'