DFS advert

[Heratnumber7]

Have you seen the current DFS advert?

All the seamstresses and haberdashers are women and all the carpenters and users of big tools are men.

Why is that then DFS? Eh? Eh?

For shame on you.

I'm not 'sure that the context of the thread was particularly limited to legitimate work.... it started at gendered roles in advertising.

It was not in the least a cheap shot, nor was I trying to "win" a point. It makes me furious that people make out that men doing dangerous work gives women a position of privilege, when many of the most dangerous, life-threatening, back-breaking or self-sacrificing activities are undertaken by women worldwide. It's just assumed that women will do these things. It's not about validating prostitution as a job or anything - it's about acknowledging the dangerous labour that women undertake daily, and prostitution happens to fall within the scope of that labour, which is ignored when discussions about how only men are prepared to take on dangerous work take place

I havn't derailed any thread, I wanted to discuss the giving of a bus seat, and did, I have discussed gaming, and well this one kind of got away from me...

Reporting sexism on a thread like this isn't an option, despite 50% of divisive comments starting with 'As a man you shouldn't...', and besides i'm not here to complain about women.

The disputes I have gotten into are partly down to me thoroughly disliking censorship, or bullying, which is pretty prevelant. I know there is a narrative that women are treated worse in this country, but trust me when I say coming from a place where your skin colour means you are beaten, spat on or locked up for daring to look at someone else, it's difficult to sit back and listen to anyone take a hit for their opinion!!

Hapshawl

I take your point, but if you want to contextualise this discussion as work worldwide, then you have to acknowledge as many men in insufferable conditions as women worldwide, you have to accept women are privaliged for not being in the front line within war.

You cannot discuss a UK work trend discussion and use women worldwide you cannot identify with as back up for your argument.

I assume you mean things like this Lass...

The case where council cleaners won the case to make their wages equivalent to bin men, with back pay, because their role as cleaners includes cleaning homes where a body has been discovered, cleaning hazardous refuse from homes of substance misusers etc.

The gendered problem of respiratory conditions and UTIs among call centre workers.

The issue of older women dying due to working in asbestos factories.

These are all things trade unions should be dealing with, addressing the employer, unlike prostitution which should be dealt with in similar ways to trafficking, and addresses criminals and the behaviour of clients (men).

Reporting sexism is an option on all threads. When you see it, I suggest you report it. If it's real, it will be deleted

The issue Buffy is that if we talk about work and dangerous jobs, we often talk about the formal economy. Whereas most work done by women is in the informal economy or outside of the economy altogether.

So women are more prone to respiratory conditions because they do so much in the home - exposure to gas cookers for example, and indoor air pollution. But because many men don't count what women do as work, these health problems tend to be seen very differently.

fifa it isn't a race to the bottom. You shouldn't say 'well you're treated much better than the worst conditions that women (or men) can endure so quit your whining' because that is just accepting less than what is actually possible and is actually fair.

How did I know you would bring up war, Fifa eh? It's almost like you're not the first to suggest that round here. How many men suffer on the front line compared to women suffering in prostitution do you think? Who is it who creates the dangerous environments in which these two groups of people have to move?

Do wars have front lines nowadays? As far as I can see they're hell for everyone.

'I know there is a narrative that women are treated worse in this country...'

If you don't think women are treated worse in this country, I'm not sure why you keep coming on threads about sexism against Western women.

More pertinently, more civilian women and children suffer in war than combatant men, due to their increased risk of being raped/trafficked both by the "enemy" and by friendly forces.

prostitution doesn't even need to be considered when it comes to whether more men or women work in dangerous environments, dealing with hazardous materials, undertaking necessary but poorly-valued labour. Women do far more, and far more of it unpaid, than men.

I don't know any feminists who believe that it's totally ok for men to work in dangerous conditions, in fear for their lives, or to have their work devalued. It's not about dragging men down to the level of the most oppressed woman. But this myth that women are privileged not to have to undertake dangerous work is just that - women do and have done some of the most dangerous labour required of humans since time immemorial

"More pertinently, more civilian women and children suffer in war than combatant men, due to their increased risk of being raped/trafficked both by the "enemy" and by friendly forces."

Absolutely, Xeno

Straw feminism seems to be a theme at the minute.

xeno - probably twas ever thus, but yeah.

I was sort of hoping to discuss gender stereotypes in advertising on this thread - not necessarily whether carpentry was superior to upholstery, but about the gendered role models/people like us thing.

Wow, women do as dangerous jobs as men...

Then are they immune to accidents, because 97% of workplace deaths in the UK are men.

Almond

I came to read a gamergate thread, I seem to have been dragged into others by some deplorable attitudes, and my inability to not allow bullys to get away with their behaviour.

Who has denied women being on the frontline? Who has denied them fighting for their country?

It isn't actually true btw that women haven't been on the frontline of wars. They have on a regular basis. You could also google mass rape of German women in WW2 (or in fact mass rape of women in any war) if you have a stomach for it, Fifa.

errol

Go for it and i will try and keep up

Well for a bit

I am watching Buffy season 5

Yes, please, tell Yazidi women how jolly lucky they are not to be on the frontline.

Or friends of mine. Those bullets must have travelled a hell of a long way if they weren't on the frontline, eh?

deplorable attitudes . What deplorable attitudes?

You mean women not agreeing with you and calling you out on your sexist attitude?