DFS advert

[Heratnumber7]

Have you seen the current DFS advert?

All the seamstresses and haberdashers are women and all the carpenters and users of big tools are men.

Why is that then DFS? Eh? Eh?

For shame on you.

I do a lot of talking about women farmers, bin women, female joiners, etc at work with young people because I do value equality. Most of the girls look thoughtful and even though they mostly don't choose to go into those fields (most of the boys don't either) they do consider it. The boys on the other hand tend to laugh when I mention it, as if I've made the funniest joke in the world and no woman could ever be taken seriously in those roles. The boys also laugh at the suggestion that any straight man would ever consider a career in childcare/beauty therapy, while the girls think that would be great. Make of that what you will. It's not a large scale piece of research, is just my observations from 3 schools in a fairly small geographical area.

There are campaigns to get women into skilled trades like construction. I'd see it as part of wider STEM campaigns too. I do know teenage girls who have hugely struggled to get work, despite doing very well on construction based training courses.

It's an important issue, but a different one from the requirements to get women into positions of political, economic and social power, which is a global requirement for women's rights as part of a wider human rights agenda.

Occupations facing unnecessary risks is also a major human rights' issue, but something traditionally fought against through the trade union movements.

are all these more dangerous than prostitution? I'm curious to know, because men who go on about how men have to do the most dangerous, poorly-paid and insecure work always conveniently forget how many women work in prostitution

Thats cheap to use the plight of thousands of abused women to try to prove a point!

By the same argument then, until you eradicate prostitution don't push for better jobs, help all women, not just the middle class wanting to get higher. Are you happy saying that Hap?

Buffy

I am aware of whats legal, however my word against hers on a call from a personal number would be the only evidence, and like I said, I can either kick up a fuss or have a job. In my career positions don't come up often, and conventions are populated by the same people, i'm more than aware of peoples displeasure of others actions causing ostricisation previously.

That's interesting MsMermaid about the different reactions. Did you know (you probably did) that 70% of the worlds farmers are women (one of my favourite stats when MRAs start talking about how all the 'hard' jobs are done by men). However they only get about 10% of the wealth. Quelle surprise.

I havn't been in this country that long, but my experiences are of female dominance

Genuine question: do you come from a country where women are significantly oppressed?

There is research that shows that if women are taking up more than about 30% of conversation time, the perception is that they are dominating the conversation. Some analysis also shows that in crowd scenes in films, the proportion of women is about 17% (otherwise they'd look wrong). There's a scene at the end of the film The Martian where they are training new astronauts and I think 50% of them are women - it was jarring when I first saw it!

My point is that your perception is that women are dominating but this is not the same thing as women actually dominating. In fact women can be perceived to be dominating even if they are actually in a minority. Especially if you are used to them barely being seen/having an influence at all.

It's always interesting when men tell us that they in some way deserve more money than women because they do the most dangerous jobs and then get all pearl clutching about things when women state that prostitution is by far the most dangerous.

Nice bit of hypocrisy from you there Fifa

I'm pretty appalled that someone working in HE demonstrates such poor critical thinking skills tbh

are all these more dangerous than prostitution? I'm curious to know, because men who go on about how men have to do the most dangerous, poorly-paid and insecure work always conveniently forget how many women work in prostitution

I don't think that is a valid comparison. Prostitution should never be validated in any way by comparing it to real jobs / real work.

Dangerous and/or low paid work , for men and women, exists. It is frequently vital and important work , or, at least, work which most of us benefit from and would find it difficult to forego. None of those justifications applies to prostitution.

Noble

Yes, my country of birth allows for no freedom of speach, women are subjegated, as are my race. I have viewed and been involved in some attrocities, so you'll have to forgive me if I overreact to being clled a 'dickhead' 'Troll' or even a 'whiite male' which weirdly has become an insult in this country.

I work in HE and hold a MSc, my passion is psychology, and why people do the things they do.

I struggle with the irony of people on this board, discussing how women are oppressed while telling men to shut up for daring to interact.

From my view, and those men and women in my community, and those in other wider minority communities is that white men 'have no balls' and that british women are spoilt to the point that they have no perception of the real world outside their cosy little bubble. I know a female friend who has been here nearly 10 years and still gets butterflies when anyone is nice to her from nowhere, from being given a seat, having her shopping paid for, getting free stuff etc.

The fact that the amount of research being conducted surrounding the areas of 'air conditioning is sexist' highlights how powerfull the feminine narrative in this country.

A lot of immigrants are here to sharethe haven, to find the haven has its ups and downs, but is still one of the greatest places to live on the planet, yet a certain over privaliged few are still not happy, forgive the blut nature of this post but so many nationalities have the same running jokes about the british.

highlights how powerfull the feminine narrative in this country.

And yet the majority of powerful positions are held by men.

Haps Buffy

I find your derision interesting, as everytime I have proclaimed my pro feminist opinion on other subjects it has universally been met with 'you don't understand, you are a man' and when explaining that I have spent years coming to the assistance of opressed women worldwide I am met with 'what are you jesus or batman'.

It almost seems that, in this very precise peice of the internet I am very much a second class citizen because of my genetalia, and whether i agree or oppose I am worthless as a human.

Personal attacks and troll hunting are against the rules on this website. Report them if you see them.

Ultimately, it is the UN who have decided that women face sexism and are not in a position of dominance in this country. That's decided by experts from a variety of countries, not by some kind of British bubble.

It's a shame you assume that feminists talk about the plight of abused women simply to prove a point, rather than talking about abused women because highlighting that these abuses are occurring

I think he had a fair point. I thought it was a cheap shot too.

This thread is about jobs- comparing legitimate work done by men and women and discrepancies therein; it is not about prostitution- which is not legitimate work.

It was a man who made the jesus/batman comment

(I think )

I have reported 2 very nasty racist comments, I'll try my hardest not to report anything unless it's dangerously offensive.

You're a mensch

Fifa - report anything you think breaks talk guidelines. If you think someone is being sexist towards you, by all means report them.

FIFA, I think part of the reason you're getting the reaction that you are is that you have appeared as a new poster, and made a very large number of posts in a very short space of time, and started a thread.

You also seem to come on threads and change the topic to something you want to discuss rather than the actual topic of the thread.

Generally, posters will only make a few posts and try to follow the flow of the conversation.

You seem pretty offended by how you've been treated, but it would be more sensible to take that up with the actual posters you feel offended by, or report to MNHQ if they've broken talk guidelines.

Because personal disputes you seem to get into are monopolising threads.

Were the comments on this thread fifa ?

I don't think it's a 'cheap shot' really. Some people like to argue that feminists don't want equality, because they expect men to do dirty, physical, dangerous things while women are cosseted. But loads of women do dirty, physical, dangerous things in order to make money. Which makes the assertion that only men face danger, incorrect

The comparison in the context of this thread should have been to legitimate dirty, physical or dangerous jobs which women do.