General Trans Discussion Thread

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I seem to be hitting #PeakTrans on a daily basis now and thought it would be useful to have another general thread to discuss/post/share

If you haven't seen Magdalen Berns' recent blog post it's really worth a look

so androgynous = presenting as no particular gender

Bi gender = presenting as two genders. (Different from "gender flexible"??)

Not sure what the practical difference between those two categories is...

(Why are we trying to come up with lots of different labels? How about a "gender revolution" which does away with all this, and simply says "you can be a man or woman and it doesn't matter how you dress, what colours you like or what your interests are, you are still a man or a woman and that's fabulous"

It's all rubbish.

It seems to basically go gender = personality, and unless you are an old bigot sex is irrelevant.

m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1217771698304300&id=777621335652674

That's the pool thing on fb

Marythecanary I was just coming on to start a thread about that cover (but thought I'd check here first).

My facebook is full of people who are outraged by Graham Linehan's "transphobic" comments and my brain hurts.

Graham Lineham was already high in my estimation but I am even more impressed by him now. Thank you Graham!

Thank you shniynewusername, I was struggling to articulate my issue with it, and I think you've hit on the crux of it

I am new to this feminist, TRA debate but I have being doing my research and I am definitely Spartacus.

The whole trans movement and ideology goes against everything women have been fighting for and is just another form of male privilege and oppression.

That article cover is appalling. It has just removed women from the gender argument in one swoop. Not only that but this is meant to be a scientific magazine and to me gender is a social construct where as sex is biological fact.
I do not believe that you can change sex no matter what you do you will always be the sex you were born.

Comments on Twitter seem to largely be that actually women are featured as MtT are women

I pointed out on FB that it is interesting that male is featured but female is not. "There are two females you transphobe" was the quick and predictable answer.

I pointed out on FB that it is interesting that male is featured but female is not. "There are two females you transphobe" was the quick and predictable answer.

And we're back to having to define ourselves as uterus bearers.

You could try that numberseven. After all they've left out 51% of the global population, which ever way you cut it up. No-one can argue with that.

purplesagefem.wordpress.com/2016/12/16/transwoman-makes-some-terfy-points-about-danielle-muscato/

This made me snort in a nutshell "Danielle Muscato doesn't look like a woman so isn't one even though they feel like one" This said by a TW...

I can almost see the thought process that went behind that ridiculous cover.

"Shouldn't we include a regular woman and write 'female'? Oh, hang on, if we do that then it might imply that the transwomen who are there aren't really female. Better leave it out."

I am getting so desperately, desperately TIRED of fucking transactivists.

Great article. It's old, but I hadn't read it before so want to post just in case

www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/08/04/woman-2

Wanted to share this excellent article, so have revived this thread as a repository of sorts

www.mindingthecampus.org/2017/02/why-cant-a-woman-be-more-like-a-trans/

And this one
treadingoncapes.wordpress.com/2017/01/18/the-left-needs-teeth-in-2017-pt-ii-gender/

Just a question.

If TAs (m to f) wish to access women only spaces and object to being excluded from those spaces, would they consider that they should have the right to access:

Gynaecology clinics because they consider that they menstruate?
Maternity Units even though they biologically cannot bear a child?
Routine breast screening clinics?
Lactation consultants?
Female fertility clinics
Family planning clinics - for iud's etc.

Are these places objectionable to them because they're automatically excluded by virtue of their biology?

If females are not to discuss menstrual and fertility related problems because they cause offence, where would we stand in obtaining help in these biologically determined areas when we need it?

The mind boggles and things could get really bizarre

Help - we already have the call for reference to chestfeeding rather than breastfeeding. Even though men have breasts.

Chest feeding? wow, that's where things are heading then?

help

We had a transwoman on here a while back who was looking forward to getting her letter from the doctor calling her for a smear test.

Not sure if this has been discussed, but just wondered what people feel about point 8 in this article www.acpeds.org/the-college-speaks/position-statements/gender-ideology-harms-children

1. Conditioning children into believing a lifetime of chemical and surgical impersonation of the opposite sex is normal and healthful is child abuse.

This might sound stupid so please bear with as I'm a little confused. Also apologies if covered already.
Right, the safe spaces issue- why must trans women demand access to women's spaces? If we dispense with the binary gender matrix, then surely we are saying that there are various genders. So trans women isa different gender to women, as is genderqueer, riotgrrrl, etc. Therefore if we are providing safe gendered spaces, surely a transwomen group is more appropriate than a biological women's group as they actually are identifying their gender differently.
Secondly, if we are dispensing with the gender binary, which is described as being heteronormative and exclusive, why are trans people rushing to be identified within that binary? Surely the purpose of dismantling it is to provide many ways of defining gender. It's rather depressing then that having dismissed the binary as inadequate, some trans people appear to rushing to construct it again.
Can anyone explain this? Because it seems mad

We had a transwoman on here a while back who was looking forward to getting her letter from the doctor calling her for a smear test

Would a post op m to f trans person be regarded as having been fgm'd?

Because it seems mad Divers, it seems mad because it is mad.

It's probably been suggested plenty of times before but I do wonder if MN should now have a separate topic for trans issues/discussion.

Out of the top 10 threads on Feminism Chat at the moment, 6 are trans related threads. And many more beneath that. I feel like it's totally dominating feminist discussion spaces these days.