DH is 'glad' of verdict

[HexBramble]

I'm sickened tbh.
He announced this morning that he is happy and glad that justice has been served and will not listen to reason.
We have 3 daughters.

No one has lied, you are twisting things to suit your bizarre agenda. I'm done conversing with you and your rape apologist clap trap now.

Sympathies also OP and to anyone else who can't get a partner to at least appreciate what went on.

he just knows that no decent man would have acted as either footballer did that night... or as the men who stepped forward to tell their tales did!

and CE admttting that he and his mate had had threesomes before and that 'roasting' amongst young footballers is so rife that some clubs are now
including in their curriculum for academy players information on how to treat women.

Yy buffy.

Not wanting to be in a,relationship any longer is,all the reason you need to end it.

There's different opinions, and there's smirking when someone's legal anonymity is broken at a football match. One is a mere difference of opinion, one suggests contempt for women.

Weirdly, I asked DH whether he was more concerned about being falsely accused of rape or of being raped (being statistically more likely) in his younger days.
He said neither crossed his mind, then or now. Make of that what you will...

You clearly know jack shit about this case as she hasn't accused him of anything.

So I am going to go out on a limb and say that any man (or woman) who thinks a woman who asks the police if her handbag has been handed in deserves this treatment, is a bit of a massive cunt. Not even Ched Evans himself is saying that - even he is on record as saying it is nothing to do with her.

If you don't know how uncommon false accusations for rape actually are and how low the chances are of rape cases even getting to court in the first place let alone a conviction then I suggest you go and educate yourself.

I think that this is really telling: "he has a different opinion on a news case which doesn't affect him ..." It doesn't matter that it affects Hex. It's all about how he feels about the case that matters. How Hex feels doesn't enter into it.

It is an abusive person who would advocate a woman staying in a marriage she doesn't want to be in.

This is not the thread for this debate, zefcal. There are plenty of other threads.

Go away.

"is an abusive person who would advocate a woman staying in a marriage she doesn't want to be in"

Scallops, some people don't care much about women, do they. And have a rather low opinion of them.

Thank you HQ, I apologise for being rather terse in my last report

Yes, that's the point, scallops. When a partner has demonstrated they have a fundamentally different set of core moral values and refuses to talk about it, that's going to shake anyone's marriage to the core. And women (and men) are allowed to be upset by this, to question whether the relationship is as good as they thought it was, to question whether this fundamental clash might be symptomatic of a broader problem.

Thank you MNHQ. I understand that it's very difficult for you when (as I described it in my first report) the troll is trying to "fly under the radar" and stay just the legitimate side of what's okay as a difference of opinion. I'm glad you've made the right call, and I hope Hex feels it's safe to come back to her thread now.

Hex -

In a grim way, I like the irony of you citing as "real rape" the example of a man "who forces himself on a woman he's never even spoke [sic] to", zefcal. Have you checked the details of Ched Evans's evidence to see how many times he himself acknowledges he spoke to the woman he was having sex with?

For any male lurkers who don't get why Zef's views were so offensive:

Ask yourself the following question. Which of these two scenarios would you find most traumatic? Being anally penetrated against your will by a complete stranger down a back alley? Or being anally penetrated against your will by a man who you thought was your friend, in a comfortable bed in the spare room of his flat where he'd offered you somewhere to crash after a night down the pub?

Once you've decided your answer, try to imagine how you would feel if someone then came along and said "no clearly the other scenario was worse, you didn't suffer anywhere near as badly as you would have done in the other scenario."

Now imagine that person is saying this repeatedly, not in the context of an abstract theoretical discussion, but on a support thread - to a group of women for whom the discussion can never be abstract because most of them will either have experienced rape themselves, or seen the aftermath in a woman very close to them.

MostlyHet, that is exactly the point, thank you. Someone you have invited in to your house, to stay as a guest, having known them for years - in my case - and no alcohol involved, just sleeping as one needs to do.

I am very glad zefcats posts have been deleted. I am very sorry they derailed a support thread. Though I would not have found them acceptable anywhere, particularly on a forum mostly read by women. Nonetheless, they act as a salutary reminder why sexual abuse persists and women do not speak out.

Courage and strength, Hex and everyone else affected by these issues

What about CE's fiancée ? How can she live with a person who behaved like this, whether the "law" called it rape or not, it was the most disgusting, misogynistic, degrading and disrespectful display I have ever had the misfortune to hear of. That man is beneath contempt. How can ANY woman chose to love with That man, knowing what he has admitted ?

Het I think that's the best post I've ever read on mumsnet.

OP- I hope you're doing ok

I'd be willing to bet that it's mostly down to her growing up around misogyny and seeing it as normal and perfectly fine. She must have justified to herself over and over. Wonder what her mother makes of it all.

I don't understand her father. No decent father/parent would want to see their daughters end up with such a scum bag. Let alone support him through two trials whilst offering £50k bribes for any 'information' to get him acquitted. They are a very strange family indeed.

Well said, Het