Ched Evans verdict

[FreshwaterSelkie]

to continue the discussion as the previous thread closed.

Great blog post Xeno

Agree, fantastic blog post. I am to hear of that hashtag! Are men seriously saying this? They are literally saying they would act/have acted as he did? Wow.

Excellent blog.

Yes, the only upside to all these men coming out in support of CE is that it's now easier to identify the rapists and potential rapists, because they are identifying themselves.

I'm certainly gonna think twice about being alone with the school-dad who posted in support!!

I have been following this but clearly not closely enough because i am not clear about a couple of things and wondered if someone more knowledgeable could fill me in. For the record i 100% believe that the girl in this case was raped but i was wondering what happened to the recording that was made by ched's friend and brother. Was that used in evidence? Also there was a lot of talk about the girl tweeting about the money she was going to get. ( i know that she didnt sell her story or seek compensation). Is there any evidence of these tweets or are they just hearsay? I have seen it trotted out as a fact on fb etc and i would love to be able to refute it but i feel i don't have all the information. Thank you and I hope these are not inappropriate questions, i will ask for this to be removed if so.

Not inappropriate at all dead, how are you going to know unless you ask? I'll try and help to the best of my knowledge.

what happened to the recording that was made by ched's friend and brother. Was that used in evidence?

From what I gather it was too dark for the footage to really be of any use and CE closed the curtain at one point. The two men outside were heard speaking, one asking who the girl was and the other responding with "some fat bird". But that's all they got from the recording I think.

I am 99.9% sure that the so called tweets the woman posted were made up/fabricated/blown out of proportion. Lots of people on social media claimed she deleted them but they were apparently recovered by an American hacker. I personally think it's a load of bollocks. I also believe rumours about her falsely accusing other men of rape in the past were bollocks too. No one has ever been able to show any proof and neither of these things came up in court so imo it's a load of nonsense spread by people who just want to smear the victim.

The tweets about getting money are just lies hearsay by people trying to discredit her. I daresay if that kind of evidence were available, it would have been used instead of "she had sex before and she had sex after".

If that kind of evidence had been available, it would no doubt have been prominent in the defence case.

A splendid piece of dangerous nonsense in the Torygraph:

www.telegraph.co.uk/men/the-filter/why-the-fallout-from-the-ched-evans-verdict-puts-all-of-our-sons/

The CPS being all too keen to prosecute when no complaint of rape, or when it's just 'normal' drunken disrespect of women, puts all our sons at risk (and no mention of daughters/mothers/sisters/partners being put at risk by this!). Oh, and it's all the fault of rabid feminist lynch mobs taking it out on normal laddish behaviour......................And the fault of the CPS for prosecuting that the victim has had such a terrible time.

With the utterly disgusting last line:
"Call me old-fashioned, but I will never believe that a woman who has to be told by police that she may have been raped is the victim of a rapist. That is to shamefully diminish the most hideous of crimes."

venusinscorpio Wed 19-Oct-16 00:29:59
"Kind, rapists don't rape just to get sex. They do it because they get a kick out of violating another person's boundaries."

You are right Venus. I just wanted to spell out that CE is in fact a rather weedy, pathetic man for all the "star" footballer idea of himself he and his fans undoubtedly have of him. The ridiculously replusive Trump thought of himself as a "star" too!

I think a lot of men/jury/judges evidently think that having sex with (raping) a drunk, girl - who in their minds is a slag if they have been drinking or ever had sex - before is fair game, a normal way to get some sex, "I've got a bird". Using and abusing is not remotely rape in their eyes.

This outcome is devastating. I heard a woman, who may be a barrister herself (sorry to be so vague) talking on the radio. She thought the so called new evidence had not been relevant and she said she thought that the CPS (?) would have challenged this if they had had enough money.

Thanks so much. I have read lots of articles and googled but couldn't find anything about the recording. I thought maybe it had been deleted. Such a devastating case, and when i read the disgusting comments online it makes me weep for my dds who have to make their way in this misogynist world.

I had to step back from reading about it this weekend as I was so upset and really fucking angry. Still am. Would really love to know how I can positively direct my anger but feel pretty helpless. Which is making me even more angry

Even if the tweet was real (doubt it seeing as it didn't get used in the case) it said "when I win big" iirc- phrased far more like a "when I win the lottery" thing than what actually happened.

I wonder how much, exactly, Karl Massey is willing to spend to defend his daughter's cheating boyfriend. And whether he thinks it's beneficial in the long run to keep Ched Evans' name, and the details of the case, in public consciousness. To my mind, that's got every likelihood of backfiring.

This "a woman who has to be told by police that she may have been raped is the victim of a rapist" is ridiculous.

If someone sneaks around a hospital raping comatose patients, is that not rape?
If someone breaks house of an old lady who has dementia, is that not rape?

They're just putting a value judgement on her being drunk, they should at least be honest about it.

I was just doing some research for a project I am working on and listened to Tony Porter's TED talk that I haven't listened to for a long time.

He describes an incident in his life which is scarily similar to the Ched Evans case. He didn't rape the girl. It is so powerful in showing what was wrong with Ched Evan's situation and the problem with masculinity.

www.ted.com/talks/tony_porter_a_call_to_men/transcript?language=en

Transcript of the scene:

God, icod, that's so awful.

It's horrible.

But hey, 'not all men', right?

The average rate of compensation is £11k but expect a wait. I applied in February 2014 and still haven't received anything. I hardly call this sum "winning big" do you?

Quite, Queen. I've never understood the 'money grabbing' troll-types.

Surely the best way to 'win big' would be not to go to the police but go direct to the rapist and threaten to do so? Which, of course, she did not.

or even just have gone to the News of the World (still around at the time) with a story about how you had a wild threesome with a couple of footballers? That would have made much more sense if money were her aim

I haven't read the full thread, so sorry if this has already come up, but regarding the text to her friend/boyfriend/whoever about her drink being spiked. Was this followed up? Because that could help explain her compliance (as well as being drunk obv), the wetting the bed, the not being aware of someone else entering the room and the lack of memory the next day. But it leaves your system so quickly so it's hard to prove, isn't it? Can anyone fill me in?

Thank you iremembericod that TED talk was very,very interesting and I'd never have seen that.

12hours is all it takes for one of the drugs to leave the body.
If you read the symptoms in the article it sounds very like she was drugged as well as drunk.

Once someone has had any alcohol, and if they have no protecting sober friends around, it must be a synch to give a date rape drug with the chances of getting caught next to nothing. Then as to rape, once someone has drunk anything you just say they were not that drunk, she did not seem that drunk to me, yes she did give consent/I believe she was consenting/her body moved as though she were consenting.

Probably people are getting drugged all the time but think they were drunk.

www.nhs.uk/Livewell/abuse/Pages/drink-spiking.aspx
"Most drugs leave the body within 72 hours of being taken (the date rape drug GHB leaves the body within 12 hours), so it's important to be tested as soon as possible."

24 hours is not long either
mcwell.nd.edu/your-well-being/physical-well-being/drugs/rohypnol-flunitrazepam/
"If you believe you are a victim of a date rape drug you can be tested by the University Health Center withing 24 hours."