Trans people to be JAILED in Alabama town if they go to "the wrong toilet"

[katmanwho]

Unbelievable. There has been a lot of hate recently in North Carolina with the bathroom bill. But this has got a lot worse. [ www.al.com/news/anniston-gadsden/index.ssf/2016/04/oxford_passes_law_aimed_at_tar.html]

So a transwoman will have to go the male bathroom. A transman in the female one. There's been cases of butch women being hassled already in female toilets.

Oh - and if you're in North Carolina and witness someone who you think is in the wrong bathroom, you can call the hotline.

Meanwhile, a convicted sex offender (who is also Ex Republican House Speaker) is allowed to go the male bathroom with boys.

The only good thing about this bill is that it's made people react to the discrimination and to show that many people think this is discrimination. Just like in the 60s. Apparently trans people are sexual deviants.

This is the real effect of hate.

Vestal, thanks for that. I suppose its good to know that some women somewhere are finding a use for this bullshit, even if they shouldn't have to...

OddBootshope you have the well meaning friend a well meaning reply! for you!

PennyDreadfuI bullied for being cis" What the fuck is happening!! Sorry I am swearing so much these days,.

What puzzles me is how a male can feel like a female. He can't because he's a male. He doesn't know how a female feels and never will. And vice versa with women. So this gender transformation is nonsense really.

When I was growing up gender meant either male or female, and of course the unfortunate intersex in between. It wasn't generally understood to mean anything else. And now 7 year olds are assumed to be ready to make decisions that may affect the rest of their lives? To get to choose their 'gender', which you can't really. Sad. What a stupid society we live in.

showed the children "a diagram of what it means it have a boy's body but have a girl's brain".

So girls have different brains do they? Nothing sexist about that. Nothing at all. Not that we'd understand it with our wimmin brains.

^^ I wonder if you get black brains and asian brains too.

"Gender assignment" surgery is just cosmetic surgery, same as any other cosmetic surgery? Same as carried out by many people every day. It doesn't intrinsically "reassign" anything about the person. If I keep getting spray tans, I'm not reassigning my ethnicity. Aside of that, why would a wig or other adornment such as a frock be even put forth as living like a woman? I don't wear wigs or frocks, but yet I am a woman. So wigs and props (surgical or not) do not make a woman. It is living like a pastiche or parody of what men regard as being a woman. But of course as they are men, they can only adopt the cosmetic aids used or accessories usually associated with women. They don't become women by adornment or a cosmetic surgery procedure. They are still men adorned with these cosmetic props or men who have undergone cosmetic surgery. Just like many women and men undergo cosmetic surgery to alter or hide their various lumps or bumps. Or people get spray tans because they think it looks nice on them. It doesn't make them intrinsically something or somebody else.

So, about those religions and places that have taboos about menstruating women. When that woman self-declares to be a man, they are not a menstruating woman anymore. They are a menstruating man, are they? Just like that. You bet your bottom dollar that idea would be kicked into touch.

It would be bizarre if men were to have access to refuges with traumatised women under this new legislation and by their very presence get an open door to further traumatise women or water down precious resources for women, but women would be still discriminated against in public religious venues and such. So the bastions of discrimination against women could still discriminate as before, but the measures in place to reduce risks to women are torn down so men can be indulged in their reinvention. Jenner had no problem being an enlisted man in a golf club, even when he completely changed his sex by putting on a basque and wig and make-up because it was so anathema to a person who could not function as a man. Of course, we are to give credence to the fact the mens decathlon olympic champion and fecund sire of 6 children is not male.. Never ever was and was never functioned as such despite all that. But yet retained status as a man member (no pun intended) of a golf club.

First woman Pope as they were a man in the voting period! No pun intended. No need for repeat voting re women bishops in C of E or schism in anglicanism 'cos of women bishops. Just have the woman self declare to be a man on the day of shortlisting eligibility and bishop creating.

Of course this reinvention would not at all be recognised in the stalwarts bastions of female discrimination. It is just about facilitating men at the end of the day.

Gosh, that was a long rambling. Apologies.

So you're born in the wrong body. But your brain is not your body, 'cos you have a male body but strangely part of that entity, the brain, is a woman's brain!!!

What about the ears. I wonder if I have male ears? Or nostril hairs. Or toenails.

Thought of this thread today, whilst I was in the ladies loos at work, having to totally change my underwear and clothes because I'd had an unexpectedly heavy surge of my period. I cannot imagine how I would have felt had I believed that men could be nearby and hear me change my clothing and wonder what on earth I was doing. Women's safe spaces are needed and worth protecting.

Pangurban1 With you completely except Jenner is 'not comfortable with gender confirmation surgery'. So he wants to be a woman (and have his own reality tv series) but doesn't want to lose his penis. How odd?!

So girls have different brains do they? Nothing sexist about that. Nothing at all. Not that we'd understand it with our wimmin brains.

It would be interesting to find out if the girl brain claim holds true if tested scientifically. I think there is some evidence that women's brain halves are connected better.

And apparently women react differently to porn than men. (Sexual orientation can only be tested by reactions to porn in men)

I'd like to see if the brain region activated by looking at scantily clad women is the region used for tools with transwomen (which is the case for men, though I hope only sexist men, but I can't remember that study very well), or the one for recognizing people.

I have a suspicion that many trans"women" would be proven to not actually have "girl brains" if we'd look for those brain differences that can be seen by looking at brain activity...

Oh! And do transwomen have "girl hearts" too? The symptoms of a heart attack should be totally different, then. I wonder ...

Italiangreyhound Sadly not, I think I just looked confused and said 'I don't think so'. DD has only just come out in a public way so I'm still very new at discussing it, I'm not ready with responses yet.

Apparently Caitlyn Jenner has a girl's penis so that makes it all ok.

Has a blokes voice though.

The thing is, if Jenner wants to wear whatever she wants to wear and be called she/her that is fine and dandy with me. She is a transwoman and I am fine with that.
I am fine with her saying she is not a man, she isn't she's a TW.
She is not a woman, she is a TW.
I don't care whether she sleeps with women or with men, or TWs or TM or with both as long as they consent.
(I suspect I am a lot more comfortable with her sexuality than she is).

I do wonder though if the allegedly lesbian TWs with penises are as happy to have sex with the other TW lesbians with penises and or men with penises or whether it is only the lesbian women that they want to sleep with. After all.it would be very transphobic of them to discriminate against penissed lesbians and/or penissed non-lesbians.

smallegs "lesbian" TW are not required to sleep with other bepenised "Lesbians" because that would be very "triggering". But it is a-ok to coerce lesbians into sex with them to prove they're not transphobic.

I'm beginning to think I'm borderline obsessed with this issue. Every part of my life, I think "what if a man were here". When I was changing in the gym today, I thought about it. No cubicles. I'd definitely leave if a man or TW came in. I also notice how men and women react to one another in close spaces. Went swimming after the gym, and there's 2 jacuzzis. There's an unwritten rule that one is for women, one is for men but this doesn't always happen. I was in with 2 other women and a man got in. You could feel the shift in comfort, the women tensed up. I'm pretty sure the guy who got in was a very lovely man, and would be shocked to know our discomfort, but this I think is a very common feeling women have about men in close space. I recently saw a meme that summed it up well: In a room full of women, a man on his own would be delighted. In a room full of men, a woman on her own would feel scared.

I don't think any woman would get in the jacuzzi with men when there was a jacuzzi with women in. I didn't quite realise how our attitudes to the opposite sex affect so many areas of our lives. Having spaces infiltrated by men is a genuinely terrifying thought. And of course the men and their "lady sticks" couldn't give a shit, because as much as they want to kid themselves, they are not the same as the tensed up type of women in the jacuzzi and don't have the first idea what it's like to be us. They'll never carry that fear with them that we do, because they are men.

"In a room full of women, a man on his own would be delighted. In a room full of men, a woman on her own would feel scared."

I have to say that I have been in a room full of men in many occasions. It has never occurred to me to be scared.

But I still wouldn't want to strip in front of a male in the changing room of a swimming pool.

Maryz sauna and jacuzzi, hand on heart if I want to get in I get in. I am a bit if anyone with more hair than a grizzly gets in though. I am a little wary if it is e.g. the turkish baths (bit more secluded) and I am the only female there but I still go.

However, on the bus I pick alone first, then sober women, then sober men, then drunk women then I stand. Too many bad experiences with drunk men sitting near me.

I was on a one day course recently and when everyone went into the room, all the women, myself included, sat with each other, leaving all the men to sit the otherside of the room.

It was interesting how we segregated ourselves that way, as it obviously made us feel more comfortable.

It doesn't matter how much the subject is rationalised, IMO women feel the threat of sexual violence from men at a deep level, regardless if that threat is real or imagined.

What part of a woman's brain operates the function of her male reproductive system, including penis? That should be a quick examination for adult males to see if it matches?

MaryZ, I know what you mean. Although in most scenarios I would try not to be intimidated or deliberately overcome feeling intimidated to do what I want, I once left a steam room because there was a lone guy in there with me. I had been in there first and a guy came in. He sat down a good bit away from me. What with the thick steam, I felt a bit uneasy because I couldn't see much. The guy didn't do anything I'm aware of but I think I would not have felt as uncomfortable if it was a female, even with the thick steam. I knew it was a guy because the air cleared where the door was opened.