Trans women as NUS Women's Officer- Part 2

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Last few posts from Part 1;
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Some of her aims:

Gender neutral sex ed
Women in leadership making room for transwomen (because you know how many women are in leadership roles)
BUS accepting transwomen to compete as women in sports

Today 16:19 ShortcutButton

4th if Anna and Sarah were TRUELY allies of women then they would seek to address the concerns that women are expressing in reasoned tones, over and over and over again in varies forums

Instead, they held an emergency meeting (this is before my poutburst) and decided the beast course of action was not to respond to women

How can you consider that approach to be the action of people that understand women, align with women, want to advocate for women????

Think of it as a personal relationship. Your lover or friend is expected to support and care for you. The person is acting in a way that you feel is not in your best interests. You attempt to start a conversation with your friend/lover to discuss this. They totally blank you and refuse to acknowledge that you even spoke

How do yuou feel about that person? Are they your friend?

Taking the analogy further...you get frustrated that you are being silenced and your concerns ignored and have a short aggressive outburst

NOW that person is listening to you. Telling everyone how violent and scary you are. Using this as an excuse for never having to listen to you again...a reason noone should take your opinion seriously...

How do you feel about that person now? That's an abusive narcissist personality type

Today 16:17 VincentVanLowe

They know you aren't threatening them. Your post was clearly making a point about the difference between criticism and concern versus threatening and harassment. The latter is what women are subjected to every day by trans activists. The former is what Lee and Noble have been busy deleting and dismissing as 'bigotry'. They've chosen to misrepresent posts here and elsewhere in order to play act like they believe a bunch of women posting on mumsnet are actually any sort of physical threat to them, two good sized males with plenty of media backing - it's farcical, we all know it is.

Today 16:16 PrettyBrightFireflies

4th - so why wouldn't you support a man in the role of NUS Womans Officer ?

If having experience is not relevant to the role, then what is the difference between a trans-woman and a man in fighting for the Annafesto?

To me, womanhood is about how you’re responded to by society, how we’re shaped
Yes - female socialisation- which only happens to female people
and yes, an affinity – however complicated that might be
A feeling. Being a woman is a feeling. Even if a person is male and socialised male - if they feel like a woman they are one? This is where I don't agree or understand.
It has two parts, if society calls you woman and treats you like a woman – you’re a woman. That relationship might be fraught – mine relationship is, but if you’re subjectivised as such and you don’t fully reject that label – you’re a woman
Yes - being a woman is not a choice, it's a role imposed on us.
It doesn’t mean you’re happy about it or that that gendering isn’t traumatic or painful in someways
Quite true
If you reject that label and seek another one, you might be genderqueer or if the category woman doesn’t apply to you but when you hear the word “man”, you feel that affinity yourself in that position – then you’re a man
Also don't agree. You can't identify out of the social role woman. Because the role is imposed on us, identifying as a man doesn't stop the role woman being imposed on us.
Identifying as a man won't stop employers discriminating against you. It won't stop you being raped. It won't stop you being paid less for the same work over your lifetime. It won't stop you being expected to be the default carer for children or elderly relatives. Etc etc.
This definition of woman or manhood - that it's a feeling or an affinity - is magical thinking. It's transubstantiation. It's a child putting on an outfit and insisting they are a real unicorn. It's a deluded person stealing a baby and insisting they gave birth to it. It's a falsehood which is being touted as truth and it's just wrong.

Superb post, Hairy.

As ever, I want to applaud hairy

And I find it odd that young women who passionately identify as feminists are so comfortable ignoring the many women's voices saying they don't want to share previously sex segregated space with male people. As a true feminist, wouldn't you say "well I have no problem with it, but I respect your right to define your own boundaries". Do these feminists really think that women requesting a female HCP should be completely happy if someone who looks like Anna walks in? That Muslim women should be fine sharing showers with intact males because of "identity"?

what the HELL is that encyclopedia dramatica/Sceptre page linked in the comments????

did anyone else click on that
jesus f-ing christ
seems Will Noble received ALOT of abuse
i don't know what to make of that
i think i need to step away

Im out. Noble is not a person, and that is not a world I want ANY connection to

???
What? Where?

Oh i see it now.

The fact that Sarah is being personally targeted by the bottom-feeders of the Internet, yet is also being quoted in the mainstream, broadsheet media, is quite an achievement!
I've scan read that article shortcut - it's not pleasant; I wonder how Will, and subsequently, Sarah, came to the attention of such people in the first place?

I'm going to be annoying and Mark my place as I'm away with a shite internet connection

Hardly any normal women (as in run of the mill) think that transwomen are women, I couldn't give a shite what the equalities commission say.

Amnesty said they support sex work being decriminalised completely.... Despite the fact that trafficking goes up where it's decriminalised

These lobbies are powerful aren't they and god awful.

Transwomen keep going on about how they "feel like a woman". I'm still waiting for someone to tell me what this is other than a bloody Shania Twain song but why should I expect an answer from people who think that lady-brain is an actual thing and who don't understand the difference between sex (a biological fact) and gender (a bullshit sociological concept that differs over time and location)

Shortcut what link do you mean? Sorry but I'm very nosey.

Here you go will

encyclopediadramatica.se/Sceptre

I have a massive MN crush on HLC - embarrassing but true. I also think that most 4th wavers must be doing the psychological equivalent of sticking their fingers in their ears and going "la la la I can't hear you" whenever they insist that Anna is a woman. Got to admire the mental gymnastics that'll be going into that one.

Shortcut I just skimmed down that page, wtf?! Disturbing. Some people take the internet way too seriously

I wish I knew what was going on sometimes...

That page is disturbing.

I wish I hadn't read that page. Hateful stuff.

That wiki page made very little sense to me.

There are a few fake-wiki sites out there

'rational wiki' has a particularly prejudiced and crappy page about transgender and terfs

I saw it the other day but unsurprisingly didn't bookmark.

Who writes this bollocks, i nthe same style and font as wiki, and gets away with it?

"Encyclopedia dramatica" is an old and infamous site for internet bullies. It's best left alone. Or for educational material of how nasty some people can be.

I think a 'lolcow' is someone who lives a very public 'alternative' lifestyle and is guaranteed to kick up a big public drama given the slightest opportunity, usually claiming they are being victimised. Sometimes they are, sometimes they aren't. They are people who feed on attention, and the people calling them 'lolcows' give it to them to feed off their reactions. It's a very weird situation all round.

Maryz my DD made the same point.
She said that the word 'woman' has become interchangeable with the word 'female' - yet they mean different things. Woman refers to gender, female refers to biology.

If we relabel "woman's safe spaces" as "female safe spaces" (female toilets, female refuge, female rape crisis centre) then they will remain free of self-identifying women.