And so it begins: Transwoman is running for women's officer of NUS

[PosieReturningParker]

Some of her aims:

Gender neutral sex ed
Women in leadership making room for transwomen (because you know how many women are in leadership roles)
BUS accepting transwomen to compete as women in sports

The only reason I have ever called a transwoman 'she' or 'her' is to avoid deletion on Mumsnet.

People who identify as women are women

When did that falsehood become truth? How do people state such a nonsense as if it is true? How can people be so uncritical as to parrot this with no sense of unease?

I'm also interested to know when this became an indisputable "fact".

The thing I truly don't understand (and it's been mentioned in this thread already) is why people who identify as women are women, yet people who identify as Black (Rachel Dolezal) are deluded liars

Magical. Are you talking about spangle?

I could be wrong but I doubt the person who writes the article either chooses the images or has any say over what happens to the comments.

No Posie, that was a quote from vincenoir's post on the last page.

I've been following this discussion with interest and am nervously dipping my toe in. I know nothing much about the issues faced by transpeople and I accept that being born the wrong sex must be an awful stressful and isolating experience and society should be supportive of their needs but I am concerned about not being able to debate the rights of women because of the fear of being labelled transphobic. its a very effective way of silencing people. It seems to me there is a minority who are very extreme in their reaction to anything that could oppose their world view and This functions to shut down all debate, I was responsible for designing an application process for something for my work. The format of it was largely mandated by law including the requirement to provide previous names. Most members of the trains community engaged with us and explained the their concerns in a reasonable measured way but one person called me 'worse than a nazi death camp guard' which seemed like a bizarre overreaction to the situation.

I don't have an issue with a transgender woman running for a woman's position as long as she is competing with other women candidates on an equal basis, but Anna doesn't appear to be interested in or even aware of the concerns of the vast majority of people she will represent only issues which affect her.

I would have an issue with trams woman competing as woman in the Olympics how would that allow bio women to compete equally?

spangle is doing a great job commenting on that Independent article.

Green - being born the wrong sex must be an awful stressful and isolating experience there is no such thing as being born in the wrong body. There is sex dysphoria and there is gender identity confusion, these things can be horribly stressful and upsetting for people, but there is no 'being born the wrong sex' because there is no such thing as a female brain as distinct from a female body.

Also Anna is still a male in every way no? A man, with a penis, with testicles, just wearing a dress. I can put on my daughter's toy rubber trunk but it doesn't make me an elephant.

Yes Anna is a male.
As a pp said, a dodgy wig and a frock don't make you a woman.

I'm not sure if it's the same picture, but the one I've just looked at looks like a bloke from down the pub who's borrowed his mother's dress.

For all their "we are so oppressed" talk, people are falling over backwards not to offend them. The suicide rates and the hate crimes are real issues, yet "misgendering" is pronounced a violent crime and gender criticism within sympathetic feminist movements are described as "murderers" and "the enemy" and told to "die cisscum".

They seem to have taking women's spaces and feminism as their main agenda, rather than actually sorting out the hate crimes perpetrated by actual transphobes who them harm (as opposed to being concerned about their own safety as so-called terfs generally are).

I know Anna personally (not well but I've engaged with her at many events/socials) and that perfectly matches her aims too.

Anna looks very..stubbly. Does this mean that she is taking no hormones? Given that, according to a poster earlier in the thread that is acquainted with her, she has been living as a woman for at least a few years, how serious is her transition? I strongly feel that a man wearing a dress and a wig with no further attempts at hormone therapy or surgery should not even be considered a trans woman, let alone take a position intended for a woman.

I think Germaine Greer was banned from giving a public lecture at a UK university recently because she pointed out what most people on this thread have - that transwomen cannot represent women's issues. This clamping down on free speech thing is worrying in itself. Perhaps someone else has already pointed out the Greer thing up thread - I've read most of the thread, but not all of it.

I strongly feel that a man wearing a dress and a wig with no further attempts at hormone therapy or surgery should not even be considered a trans woman, let alone take a position intended for a woman.

Yes, makes me wonder why these men are holding onto their male appendages.
Do they really want to be women?
Or do they only want the superficial bits?

• the clothes, the hair, the boobs ( which, disturbingly could give some of them be a form of erotic satisfaction) It's widely known that a lot (not all) but a lot, get a real sexual kick out of being 'both'.

If you're not prepared to take it seriously, (by doing all you can to be women) how do you expect us to take you seriously?

Until then, I don't care what you call yourselves. But don't call yourself women.
You are not a woman.

What could it possibly mean to say that Anna Lee has been living as a woman for a few years?

Germaine Greer has guts.
A lot of younger feminists seem to be too easily led.
Usually in the wrong direction.

They are so tied up with being seen to say the right thing, they are ultimately doing the wrong thing.

Yes, makes me wonder why these men are holding onto their male appendages.

Well, getting rid of those would not make them women, either. I'd understand that they are holding onto them - if they'd just want to broaden the male gender role to involve dresses and wigs.

I doubt any of them would want to have an uterus and an actual vagina, if they truly knew what that means. (I know a lot of women who wish they didn't have an uterus at least a couple of days a month ...)

Well Anna would be kicked out of Miss Trans as she isn't trans enough.

Can somebody explain the queer trans disabled lesbian thing. I have really tried to understand it but I can't.

I get trans (as eloquently described by iwuddarryl

Lesbian means Anna is attracted to women?

Queer and disabled I don't understand.

Is Anna queer because they reckon they are a woman and they are attracted to women? In which case does lesbian not cover this?

If they did get rid of their male genitalia it would not make them a woman but a castrated man.

I wouldn't have thought so Mrsm

as its made up nonsense

Well yes, there's that OhShutUp I just kind of wondered what it's supposed to mean.
How influential is the NUS? What can we expect the consequences to be if they vote in this trans person?

if they'd just want to broaden the male gender role to involve dresses and wigs

I've been wondering about that. I'm not entirely sure how to phrase it - but - why aren't they fighting for the right of men to just wear whatever they like without getting grief about it? Why can't a man wear dresses and make-up and have long hair, and still call themselves a man? Why not fight for challenging attitudes so that a man wearing a dress can use a man's toilet without worrying about what other men think?

I might be missing something, but it almost seems like a man who likes pretty dresses has to declare that he identifies as a woman before he's "allowed" to wear one.

The people who commit violent crimes against transwomen aren't feminists, they are men. So why are feminists attacked so frequently and aggressively by trans-activists?