And so it begins: Transwoman is running for women's officer of NUS

[PosieReturningParker]

Some of her aims:

Gender neutral sex ed
Women in leadership making room for transwomen (because you know how many women are in leadership roles)
BUS accepting transwomen to compete as women in sports

If the legislation changes to......

Yes, that's what I will start doing, if I have to.
At least it's something I can do.
A small protest, but a protest nonetheless.

I wonder how most men would feel if women started using their toilets.

I can actually aim quite well (it's a nifty trick I learned from a peculiar boyfriend once, who told me one of his other girlfriends could do it) and would be able to use a urinal. My guess is that most blokes would find that very strange, and very unsettling.

That would be a sight to behold.
Lots of women sorry, women who want to be men all standing in a line aiming at the urinals.

The mens toilets would get so full, what with all us women sorry women who feel they are men the men will have to learn to queue. like we do

It could be called

Operation BogOFF

BogOff out of our personal spaces.

I've slowly morphed from a pro-sex, libfem trans ally to a gender critical radfem. I was on MN before but flounced a couple of years ago as I didn't like the (as I perceived it at the time) transphobia. Now it's got to the point that every time I think I've reached peak trans, something even more outrageous gets pulled out of the barrel. I'm seeing the infiltration of men into women's spaces everywhere, not just from transwomen- slightly off-topic, but I've just turned off Woman's Hour in a fuming rage as they are discussing MALE PND.

I guess I'm a reluctant, or maybe au undercover TERF. I have several lovely transmen and transwoman friends, who would never dream of imposing on other people's spaces, and would be horrified at the aggression and entitlement shown on tumblr, Twitter etc. I still can't reconcile my experience of actual transfolk with the whole "die in a fire" transactivists.

I turned off Womans Hour in a fit of fury last year when they were discussing Caitlyn Jenner being voted Woman of the Year.

I couldn't believe my ears.

I haven't listened to it since.

I've just turned off Woman's Hour in a fuming rage as they are discussing MALE PND

Snarkmaiden believe it or not, that actually makes me laugh.

We are socialised to appease others to the point where we will give over our own spaces to discuss men's problems and somehow believe that it's perfectly reasonable!

If childbirth is a women's issue, and men are affected by having children, then men being affected by having children must be a women's issue!

(I doubt I even need to mention that the upheaval and problems men can suffer after the arrival of a new baby should, of course, be taken extremely seriously. Just not in jeffing WOMEN'S hour! I mean come on, it's only ONE FREAKING HOUR!!!

and breathe.....

Snap Hennifer!

Caitlyn Jenner - Woman of the year
surely some mistake - 'woman of a year' would be much more accurate

Snark I think I read the article which has prompted that discussion. It vexed me, not that I didn't have sympathy with the men who had clearly suffered from depression exacerbated or brought on by the birth of his children but this need to label it as male post natal depression . Completely ignores the reality PND and the link to hormonal issues in women that don't apply in men.

YY Fitzers - it feels like a form of appropriation to me. It entirely baffles me that we're not even allowed to have the shit bits of womanhood to ourselves.

I feel quite a lot of sympathy for the women who have newborn babies, may be suffering the after effects of giving birth and possible complications, and as well as struggling to come to terms with being a parent themselves, are also expected to manage the emotional well being of their partners who are going through the exact same bloody thing.

The problem with women taking over men's changing rooms etc, in a tit for tat situation, is that men are not threatened or scared by women in their spaces, whereas women are at real risk from men in theirs. And the whole prison thing is dangerous for women too. If you are guilty of a violent crime, and you have a penis, then you should be in a men's jail.

How is this happening? How are women being brainwashed and bullied into feeling as though they are on a par with homophobes or racists if they don't want men in their protected spaces?

Interesting! The independent and huffpost are both allowing trans critical comments on their Anna articles. And there are some really good, in depth posts on the indie article which may make some readers stop and think about things a bit more if they've been unquestioningly pro trans (or whatever the correct term is).

Obviously this is only anecdotal but in my experience, most people dont realise that the majority of transwomen don't physically transition. THIS is an important point to get across, I reckon.

Re the Woman's hour discussion, the interviewee's wife had such severe puerperal psychosis that she threw herself out of a window and broke her back. While it was obviously harrowing and traumatic for her husband to go through, it doesn't give him the right to co-opt her illness. He had reactive depression, not PND.
Listening again to the interview, there was a subtle inference by Jenny Murrey that specialist PND resources should also be supporting male partners.

'woman of a year' would be much more accurate

😂

Yes because there's obviously such a wealth of resources dedicated to PND that we can spare them for the men as well

I think there's probably a point in involving men in PND discussions, but mostly because a lot of time women's depression is exacerbated by a lack of support from their partners, rather than directing support to the wrong bloody people.

It's like the arguments for allowing men on maternity wards overnight because it helps them feel involved as a parent which entirely overlook the fact that all the women there are patients and many probably don't want strange men sleeping next to them.

I just had another look at the independent article. I'm so glad the comments are still there (and growing)! Does anyone know who it is that decides whether to delete comments? Is it the decision of the person that wrote the article? So I mean if the article is written by a trans-activist the comments get deleted but if the article is written by someone gender-critical or neutral the comments can stay?

I've just googled Aftab Ali (his name is at the top of the independent article) and he describes himself as a "feminist ally"! So maybe that's why the comments are still there!

I'm really pleasantly surprised that the comments are still up on the Independent article. It does make me wonder how many more online articles would look like that if it wasn't for the significant amount of censorship that has been happening.

I suspected that the independent article was written by a feminist or feminist ally because of the way it opened with a massive close-up photo of Anna Lee. I think someone pro-Anna Lee would have used a much smaller photograph further down the article.

People who identify as women are women

When did that falsehood become truth? How do people state such a nonsense as if it is true? How can people be so uncritical as to parrot this with no sense of unease?

How do people state such a nonsense as if it is true?

I think because they don't think women matter in the slightest.

But they think men really matter.

So if men want to be women and will have hurt feelings if they can't, then we just change the definition and all the women just move over and make room for them.

I am sick of transwomen manspalining what it is to be a woman. No. Peak trans indeed.

If they were campaigning for Women's rights - bash on. Not eroding the very small amount of hard fought women only spaces.