Can we have a general Trans thread?

[Brugmansia]

Sorry for another trans thread and I feel this is a bit of an imposition given I don't post really.

Anyway reading FWR over the past few months has re-radicalised me. I've been reading lots here and wider.

Anyway just now been watching TV and there's been some stuff that's given me the rage but didn't seem to fit in existing threads or it's own thread.

Anyway thing that gave me the rage.
On BBC3 program on transgemder teen's the doctor just said "creating a vagina". Are doctors redefining vagina as pocket rather than a passage? Makes me want to screem.

Also Sarah Ditum being no platformed.

The point of these threads are education, to make people actually think what trans is really saying.

I am fighting to get away from the role assigned to women, to get it scraped. And along come this bunch of men who are trying to reinforce it.

Just saying. Most trans people who obviously don't have matching sex and gender, don't transition because of societies expectations of males and females, but because their physical being doesn't match their psychological one. I am a trans man yet I could still like pink make up and (insert stereotypical feminine thing here) if I wanted to. Just because I don't like my body doesn't mean I must me hyper-masculine

And to answer OP's original questions transwoman's vagina is called a neovagina, so they are different

Pseudo-vagina would be accurate. Neo-vagina is incorrect

Just saying. Most trans people who obviously don't have matching sex and gender, don't transition because of societies expectations of males and females, but because their physical being doesn't match their psychological one.

"Gender" as used in feminist discourse is more or less synonymous with "restrictions patriarchy places on women because of our sex". It doesn not mean "brain-sex".

So maybe that's where the misunderstanding lies.

Also, what is "transition"? If you don't like your body, how does someone calling you male pronouns make you feel better? Your body is the same. Using the men's locker room will also not change your body.

It seems that, by "transition" you mean surgery, as this is the only thing that can change your body to some degree.

The most vocal transwomen nowadays are far more obsessed with getting access to female spaces than with having their bodies surgically changed.

I call bullshit.

Yes Siwi, gender is meaningless, and yet still rigidly enforced. And being even more rigidly enforced by trans people.

Body dysmorphia doesn't necessarily mean sex dysphoria, there are many different types of dysmorphia.

Lots of people don't like their bodies.

Lots of people don't like their sexed bodies.

They don't all call themselves trans.

I don't think not liking your body is that same as saying:

'because their physical being doesn't match their psychological one.'

I wasn't asking a question. I was pointing out that a surgeon performing the operation referred to what he was creating as a "vagina" but it wasn't one. I have no issue with neo-vagina being used but that wasn't the phrase that was being used.

My concern is about how this minimises female anatomy to secondary sexual characteristics and externally observable parts and the complex internal elements of the reproductive system are graduate written out.

(Thank you)

Can i get body dysmorphia surgery, my brain says i am 23, i want tummy tucks, boob jobs etc

23? You old fart!

Plenty of people have unnecessary surgery because they don't like the way they are. Not just trans people.

WRT the No Platform event, North please, and where do I get tickets?

vestal taking hormones also physically altered you to some degree and someone calling you by your preferred name and pronouns is more important to trans people than you'd think. They're probably fed with everybody seeing them for someone that they're not and when someone recognises you as you actually are is one of the best feelings.

brugmansia
Are doctors redefining vagina as pocket rather than a passage?
Sorry I meant about this

When somebody recognises you as you want to be, is a great feeling, but not one we can all achieve.

That was a rhetorical question

And not something worth trampling on other people for.

They're probably fed with everybody seeing them for someone that they're not and when someone recognises you as you actually are is one of the best feelings.

But I don't use male pronouns for people because I assume that they "feel male", I use male pronouns because I observe that they have male bodies.
I have no way of knowing what a random stranger feels like.

It is debatable whether gendered pronouns, in general, make sense, anyway, but while we still use them they are best used to refer to what a person looks like, for example to save time in describing someone.

Besides ... people ARE their bodies. Unless you believe in reincarnation, in which case people are still tied to the body they inhabit this time. (Also, if you believe in reincarnation, women get reborn as men and vice versa all the time, so it really shouldn't be much of an issue)

If I had a knife stuck in my back, I would feel much discomfort at having a knife stuck in my back, but I would not wish to be "recognized" as a person who has no knife stuck in their back, I would wish for someone to help me get the knife out and sew the wound.

Maybe people pretending to not see the knife would help me to forget the pain for a while, but it would not be very effective - I would still know the knife is there, and the fact that no one would help me because everyone was busy pretending that I am already knife-free would make matters worse.

When somebody recognises you as you want to be, is a great feeling, but not one we can all achieve.
That's true but in the situation of a trans person if you try to present yourself as something and do it well you probably will be

^But I don't use male pronouns for people because I assume that they "feel male", I use male pronouns because I observe that they have male bodies.
I have no way of knowing what a random stranger feels like. ^
When did you discover that it was your job to decide whether someone was male or female and tell everyone what your decision was

When did you discover that it was your job to decide whether someone was male or female and tell everyone what your decision was

I get that you're cross, but really that's not how I read that comment at all. If you're in a customer facing role, you have to decide based on a person's presentation how to address them, surely you understand that? Or do you think that addressing everyone as, I don't know... Oi, you or Pal or whatever would be more appropriate?

When did a small group of people get to change our whole language and way of talking?mjust to please themselves on something so nebulous as a feeling?

Or do you think that addressing everyone as, I don't know... Oi, you or Pal or whatever would be more appropriate?

I actually do that. Never used "Sir" or "Madam" ever. "Hey!" works for me.

But if I talk about other people, I do use the pronouns that are used for the sex I perceive them to be. I am quite sure, everyone does.

If I am talking about the man who harrassed me on the street, it is of no relevance to anyone whether he feels like a woman inside, the relevant thing is to know how he looks. And if he looks male, well, then that's the sort of pronoun I will use.

I sometimes feel strange when parents tell their children that "the lady was here first", when I am standing in a line before them, or similar situations. However, I can obviously not demand that they know I actually still feel like a teenager, and would prefer "the girl" being used.

I haven't caught up with the thread. I must have a look at the Tweets regarding this. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3349539/KATIE-HOPKINS-hardest-thing-woman-Caitlyn-isn-t-deciding-wear-s-deciding-cross-bear.html