Can we have a general Trans thread?

[Brugmansia]

Sorry for another trans thread and I feel this is a bit of an imposition given I don't post really.

Anyway reading FWR over the past few months has re-radicalised me. I've been reading lots here and wider.

Anyway just now been watching TV and there's been some stuff that's given me the rage but didn't seem to fit in existing threads or it's own thread.

Anyway thing that gave me the rage.
On BBC3 program on transgemder teen's the doctor just said "creating a vagina". Are doctors redefining vagina as pocket rather than a passage? Makes me want to screem.

Also Sarah Ditum being no platformed.

From what I've read "roid rage" is a myth. All it does is exaggerates your personality.

Considering that men who take steroids are likely to be obsessed with masculinity, that's a bit of a chicken and egg situation, too, yes.

But it doesn't really matter, as transmen are female and therefore belong in women's prisons, regardless of which hormones they are taking.

No one is being transphobic by not wanting to have people of male sex in prisons for the female sex.
It is just what the definition is.

Separating according to gender makes no sense.

I think your first paragraph is a big sweeping statement VV but I agree with the rest.

I agree with chicken and egg. There was a recent study that men who drank caffeine filled 'energy' drinks were more likely to have toxic views about masculinity. Obviously caffeine doesn't make you sexist. But maybe toxic masculinity makes you more likely to put chemicals in your body that are seen as masculine.

Right, one of you has to put on the No Platform thing because I'm not in the UK. I will fly home to attend.

Of course gender-critical women can have trans friends. One of my friends identifies as trans, doesn't mind 'she' and has no intention of getting surgery because, "there are too many penises in this world". She's a lesbian and I would happily share a prison cell with her.

It's not trans people that feminists have issues with. It's the reclassification of sex as gender, the penises in female spaces, the prioritisation of male issues over female, the shouting down of feminists, the shouting down of 'cissexist' issues like FGM, the male bodied people in female safe spaces, the way male-bodied people are now winning sports, prizes and educational opportunities AND the whole lady-brain/fixed gender roles being embraced.

If we rephrase that in a sensible way... sex is not gender, safe spaces for all, the prioritisation everyone's issues who are normally unprioritised, no shouting down of feminists but also listening to trans people's lived experience, the eradication of issues like FGM, safe spaces but safe spaces for all people, new sports, prizes and educational opportunities for trans people AND no belief in fixed gender roles at all; everyone can dress and behave as they please as long as it doesn't impact anyone else's safety and well-being.

Is that really transphobic?

There was also a recent study stating those who enjoyed black coffee and bitter tastes were prone to S&M tendencies.

I thought that study was about psychoticism, not S&M.

You are correct www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3266083/Like-coffee-gin-tonic-probably-psychopath-Bitter-foods-drinks-l.html

Almost everyone I know drinks coffee - am I surrounded by psychopaths?

I think they should have asked why those people like bitter tastes. Bitter herbs are also said to be good for digestion - maybe some people like bitter tastes because they have digestion issues and their body knows what is good for them.

Oh dear. I like coffee and think there's nothing nicer than a gin and tonic on a hot day. Surely I should be a cut throaty go getter with money to burn and a few nemeses if I'm a psychopath?

I think I'm going to submit it & see what happens.

I think I'm going to submit it & see what happens.

Please do @empress, pease do

Mide I have no idea about the chemistry involved, just some of the blogs I've read written by transmen, and some blogs written by women who transitioned to living as men, then detransitioned, mention that their use of T made them feel more aggressive. I don't know if it's a measurable thing, or a psychological effect, or what.

Fair enough Annie it's difficult to separate the physical from the mental from these things isn't it? To me it sounds like excusing male behaviour by saying "we can't help it, it's our hormones"

I'm pretty sure that one of the studies I briefly scanned earlier supported that Mide7 - that people who were told they had been given testosterone, but hadn't acted more aggressively than people who actually had been given testosterone.

Of course the patriarchy is actually quite invested in testosterone increasing aggression, without it, what is there to explain men being more violent (since they wouldn't want to admit that it's just patriarchal conditioning)

Empress, dont forget to include your six paragraph privilege breakdown

I had a look. You have to fill in a pitch form and wait for them to respond. I think I'll have a go .

MrsTP, I think your vision sounds perfect.

Could someone explain the difference between sex and gender, please?

I have read all of recent threads on this issue and don't get it.

Please don't bite my head off for a genuine question.

Thank you.

Siwi, sex is your body and what it was intended to do by nature, so women were intended to have babies, sometimes it goes a bit wrong and they can't, but they are still women. Men were intended to provide sperm to make babies, sometimes it goes wrong and they can't but they are still men.

Gender is the sex some people feel they are, the transphobes on here, myself included, deny we have a gender, and just have a sex and a personality.

Thank you pa.

I completely understand para 1.

Please have patience.

I am biologically female. I think that my gender is female.

I don't get sex/gender difference.

(I am new to fwr; trying to understand)

Is it that gender is not a choice? Or is a choice? But sex is not?

Sex is biology.

Gender describes the series of social norms people of either sex are expected to display in order not to invite censure for not performing their sex's role in society adequately.

So, sex is female, gender is the various things females are supposed to perform in order to fit in with societal norms, such as wearing certain clothes, shaving bits of themselves, being caring and nurturing etc, being crap at maths and science.

Or, sex might be male, so the gender norms are different.

Both sets of gender norms are intended to keep people of both sexes firmly in their allotted place, however, gender norms can change over time along with societal norms. Sex doesn't change, it just is.

Sorry X post.

Sex is not a choice, it is determined even before we reach the womb.

Gender is imposed on us by society, these days before we've left the womb. cf:streams of pink shite bought for baby girls.

So gender is a societal norm that changes over time.

Doesn't that mean that 'gender' is meaningless?

This is a quote from other people so hope i don't get this bit too wrong:
gender is also a social construct of roles assigned to people with different bodies to uphold the patriarchy.

Exactly siwi, it is meaningless, so how can someone feel a certain gender?

I think I get it.

Please ignore derailment.