Not all Romans

[AskBasil]

The Romans built the first roads in Britain.

But not all Romans

The Vikings built ships which sailed as far as America.

Not all Vikings.

Rabbits are known for reproducing really quickly.

Not all Rabbits.

Etc. etc. I think I will add "not all" whenever anyone refers to anything ever, until people stop saying Not All Men as a first response to a class analysis of men's behaviour.

Are women known for killing their husbands then? Is it that common? Are most husband killings performed by women?

Is 'Women kill their husbands' a thing that's regularly said around your way?

Or are you making up another bizarre and obscure situation so that you can argue?

Why do you have such hatred for people who point out to you that not all men are abusive and violent towards women, and that as bad as your experiences are, you're seeing a very small minority of men who do not represent the male species as a whole?

If we men started judging all women based on the actions of a very small number then you can bet you would be telling us that NotAllWomen are like this :P

Yes women are known for killing their husbands. Tracy Andrews killed Lee Harvey remember? It doesn't need to be COMMON - just as men abusing women is not common among men, women killing their husband is not common among women. When sensible people point out that a) Not all men abuse women and b) Not all women murder their husbands, why do people feel the need to hate on them?

Dis, you're missing the point. There's no judging, this is class analysis!

Daisies are white, pigeons are grey, men commit most murders - this is factual class analysis - no-one is saying that you are a murderer, or that most men are murderers.

Oh great the mob who attacked me in the Not All Men thread are now back for another go. As if being given abuse for no reason in one thread wasn't bad enough. But not all women spout misandrist abuse to strangers on the internet so it's ok.

dis, you've misread me.

I did not say some women are not known for killing their husbands.

My point is that it is not generally true that women commit most of the spousal killings.

It is, however, common for the person who kills their spouse to be male. I'm sorry, but it is a fact.

Ooh, I rather like being part of a mob. It makes me feel rakish and eighteenth-century.

Yes we know that men are statistically more likely to harm women than the other way around. But why is there hatred towards people who point out that not all men are like this. It's like a woman saying "Not all women murder their husband" and promptly having the piss taken out of her with a "Yes All Men" slogan.

We've already explained this, quite slowly. Read it again.

No-ones hating. Yes, some women have killed their husbands, no-one's contesting that (I have no idea who those two people are)

There needs to be some significance to it for it to make sense.

If I said 'Dolphins are pink' then that would be silly, because whilst some are, the vast majority aren't. If I said 'Dolphins are grey' that would be fine, and unless it was relevant, most people wouldn't bother correcting me that some are pink.

This thread is trying to humorously point out that people are fine with 'men are stronger than women' but for some reason have to chip in when 'men are more violent than women' - even though both are factually based.

Disregarder- do you understand the concept of "class" in this context?

Yes, agree, there's no hatred from me.

I don't even feel hatred towards actual men who kill actual women. Disgust, horror, a huge amount of sorrow and anger about society, but I just don't feel visceral hatred towards people I don't know.

Some men, OTOH, genuinely feel enough hatred towards real women, that they kill them.

Could we keep that in mind?

Yes, just like we can keep in mind that some women genuinely feel enough hatred towards real men that they kill them as well. Such as Tracy Andrews. So now that we are all agreed that Not All Men are violent to women, and Not All Women are violent to men, what is your actual point?

No hatred, no misandry for goodness sake - just as I'm not anti pink dolphin and don't want to stamp on non-white daisies!

It's not about you! How do you get anything done at school if you're continually taking offence at the slightest hint of generalisation to simplify a problem or highlight an issue?

But it isn't 'just like', is it, dis?

You have already admitted that there is a statistical difference.

Why are you backtracking now?

I'm not anti pink dolphin and don't want to stamp on non-white daisies!

" But why is there hatred towards people who point out that not all men are like this."

There isn't hatred, is there? There is irritation, because it's a statement of the bleedin' obvious. But hatred?

So can I be "irritated" if a woman says "But NOT ALL WOMEN kill their husbands" because she is ignoring the fact that women DO kill men? I'm not hugely keen to push this issue, as I notice that Burke was banned for challenging a feminist opinion, and I'd rather not go the same way that he did.

The 'hatred' thing interests me (I'm off on a tangent now). Why is it such a common reaction?

Is that that classic 'women are emotional, therefore their actions must be based in emotion not reason'?

Is it these people projecting their own emotions onto women - they understand how violent men feel about women, so they assume women criticising male violence must feel the same back?

What is it about?

Oh, you rebel! Risking a ban!

But you're right, best not push the mighty wrath of MNHQ too far, eh?

I expect you had a really good argument you're unable to post, too.

No it is not "women are emotional", where did you get that rubbis (and VERY sexist) belief from Jeanne?

To answer your question Jeanne, I am not sure what all the "Yes All Women" stuff was about. Apparently some feminists took offence when it was pointed out that the amount of men who are violent to women are a very small number of men and not representative of the entire male species. You'd need to ask them what made them get "irritated" about it, as I cannot answer as I am not a feminist.