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Not all Romans

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AskBasil · 20/08/2015 08:20

The Romans built the first roads in Britain.

But not all Romans

The Vikings built ships which sailed as far as America.

Not all Vikings.

Rabbits are known for reproducing really quickly.

Not all Rabbits.

Etc. etc. I think I will add "not all" whenever anyone refers to anything ever, until people stop saying Not All Men as a first response to a class analysis of men's behaviour.

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BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 20/08/2015 22:21

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larrygrylls · 20/08/2015 22:23

Buffy,

A micropenis is really small. It does not clear their trousers. It is not a small penis, in some cases they are less than an inch long. They cannot really be held and directed.

YonicScrewdriver · 20/08/2015 22:24

Larry

I didn't mean it as a user name; more enquiring if it might be a branch of science parallel to "female science", whatever you thought that was at the time you lashed out in the heat of the moment.

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 20/08/2015 22:25

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JeffhasAMicroPenis · 20/08/2015 22:30

It is all about self confidence.

EBearhug · 20/08/2015 22:44

But some men always use cubicles anyway, and they certainly don't all have micropenises. So why would other men look askance at them?

BertrandRussell · 20/08/2015 22:45

Micropenis is a horrible depressing condition.

Presumably all men are incredibly sympathetic and kind to all other men who have it?

FloraFox · 20/08/2015 22:45

Larry you have the self-confidence of girls potentially interested in STEM in your hands. Your comments here are a disturbing indication of your views even if you have been trained not to express them at work. I am not in that or a similar position. Perhaps you are like my physics teacher who would not have thought himself sexist but told my friend (one of three girls in the class including me) the day before our exam that she would not pass.

You are not demonstrating much self-awareness nor any awareness of how your statements might impact others.

JeanneDeMontbaston · 20/08/2015 23:00

Just to be clear, larry does not speak for all Cambridge physicists. I very much doubt he speaks for more than the tiniest minority.

Humbled fistbump from a non-physicist.

I brought them up as an example because I thought it was brilliant they'd gone to those lengths to address gender bias, so feeling bad it's been taken the way larry took it, as a personal issue.

JeanneDeMontbaston · 20/08/2015 23:06

christine - ok, I admit, too early for me really, but wasn't William's power partly de facto and not de jure? Certainly there were some ethnic Normans who had been in England prior to him, and some who didn't accept his authority/status. So did he really represent all Normans

UnderTheGreenwoodTree · 20/08/2015 23:31

Larry, your posts are beyond crass here. I know you of old, and have participated in discussions with you, in the past, where you have had posts reported and deleted for rape apology. Don't deny it. I was also here when AF went for you - and about 100 posters applauded her. Sorry if that's too personal - but you're still belittling women and their opinions here. And you don't even seem to know you're doing it.

I'm a NCer - it's not "hiding" - it was a prudent thing to do, especially in light of what happened in the last week, where we have no idea how much of our info those fuckwit hackers have on us. I have a tendency to over-share, I like this website - like WG, I tend to feel I'm chatting amongst friends.

I do not wish to be outed, because of the things that happen to women who are outed online - Clue: it can mean SWAT teams raiding your home, waking under-5's from their beds, and handcuffing your husband and taking him away.

Show some fucking understanding, have some self awareness.

ChristineDePisan · 20/08/2015 23:32

It's earlier than my erstwhile specialism, too, Jeanne, but my understanding is that although there were various challenges early on in William's tenure (partly due to his illegitimacy, partly due to his young age, partly due to that is how things were Back Then), by about 1060 there was no serious opposition to his position as duke of Normandy. (And of course, despite what is taught in school in England, there was wide international and papal support for William's claim to the English throne and he was considered the rightful heir, not Harold.)

So I think by 1066 it's legitimate to view him as representing all Normans, whether or not that is unfair on those Normans who had no interest in England. Smile

JeanneDeMontbaston · 20/08/2015 23:40

I am fairly sure he was challenged throughout his reign - certainly he was fighting or facing hostility, on and off, for all of it. But then, I guess that's what kings do.

The 'rightful heir' issue is surely just to do with the shifts happening at the time - we don't then have a blueprint for how and why people succeed (or William wouldn't have got anywhere at all).

So no, not sure it is legit. But, I should probably shut up by now. Blush

UnderTheGreenwoodTree · 20/08/2015 23:44

Thought you were talking about Larry for a second there Jean Grin

JeanneDeMontbaston · 20/08/2015 23:48

He was a right bastard, and probably also extremely unpleasant to his wife.

JeanneDeMontbaston · 20/08/2015 23:50
Shock

Shit. That's an embarrassing cross post.

UnderTheGreenwoodTree · 20/08/2015 23:57
Grin

I understand from a Jean Plaidy book that William was a right bastard who murdered his brother. I think Matilda was pretty ruthless too - but William got her to agree to marry him by dragging her off her horse and dragging her through the mud disclaimer: could all be fiction

ChristineDePisan · 21/08/2015 00:17

Arf at the cross-post!

Actually, there is no evidence that he (William!) cheated on his wife, and the marriage seems to have been reasonably affection and good-natured, even by medieval standards. And he left his wife in charge of running Normandy whilst he was off invading England. So although I wouldn't hold him up as a proto-feminist he's not the worst of his era by a long shot...

And although he had run-ins with his eldest son and the king of France, I don't think that they were attempting to argue that William didn't have the authority to be the duke of Normandy, just that they wanted a piece of the action for themselves

ChristineDePisan · 21/08/2015 00:23

There seems to be something to the story that William dragged Mathilda by her hair after she initially refused to marry him because he was a bastard - but it must have impressed her because she refused to marry anyone else despite a papal bull forbidding the marriage on grounds of consanguinity Hmm

ChunkyPickle · 21/08/2015 06:07

This has illustrated another thing that annoys me: Women must be paragons of virtue, or they're not allowed to talk about issues with men at all.

Man makes a sexist comment, woman pulls man up on it, Man says 'but you sighed and said 'Men!' the other week when I put the butter on the wrong shelf of the fridge, you can't tell me off for making sexist comments when you do too.

It's silencing. If I can find anything bad you've done, then I can justify not listening to you.

DoreenLethal · 21/08/2015 07:16

And when woman questions historial sexist things man has said, he gets all upset.

PlaysWellWithOthers · 21/08/2015 10:09

It is always interesting to watch how a certain kind if man communicates on this board. Especially when he is rarely as arsey on other boards.

BreakingDad77 · 21/08/2015 10:16

Micropenis is a horrible depressing condition. Presumably all men are incredibly sympathetic and kind to all other men who have it?

I think this counter should be used to when you get men saying "but whadabout FGM" Where are the men to set up these charities to help these guys? Goes away to think of kickstarter.... ErectionSansFrontiers

cadnowyllt · 21/08/2015 11:58

Playswell - certain kind of man ? Are you suggesting not all men as the same ? Careful now.

YonicScrewdriver · 21/08/2015 12:04

Don't worry, cadno, I don't think you were being excluded.