Taylor Swift vs Nicki Minaj

[MyChildDoesntNeedSleep]

Apologies if already discussed. I couldn't see a thread.

What are your thoughts on this debacle? I have always been a Taylor fan, but since reading limited newspaper articles went over to Minaj's side. But then I watched the bloody Anaconda video and I just thought ffs, wtaf?!

I actually love the Bad Blood video. I hate the Anaconda one. I can't see how it is ironic. And yes, her ass is huge, but it's nothing to do with overeating or not dieting. She's shapely and doesn't have a hint of cellulite in the vid. Did you not notice her tiny waist? That ass is a result of surgery.

Oh yes I missed Rihanna! Well she's just a delight isn't she?!

Achieve I think it's because only Taylor and Beyoncé were nominated as females. Beyoncé is a recent collaborator with minaj and has a similar body ( ie. Known for her bootyliciousness) so by minaj addressing skinny girls or whatever, it looks to be at Taylor

Swallowed that's a bit harsh on Beyoncé isn't it? She's incredibly talented, by all accounts hard working and half of the one of the most infleuntial couples in music ( I'd say exactly the same about Jay-z before anyone pulls me up on it)

ah, stainless, thanks for that, surprised I didn't know.

Is she really calling race over this one though? There are tons of music videos out there that are based on booty shaking, have they won a lot of awards? I know Miley Cyrus got it last year but ...really? The Minaj video?

Side note - I hate that she is using stupid tiny tiny weights in her gym scenes.

I'm not interested in mainstream populist music and haven't knowingly heard either of them. However on the basis of this

she gathers a clique of her bezzies, including Lena Dunham, Cara Delevingne and Ellie Goulding I'm happy to take Minaj's side.

He can grab her curves all he likes and he's a lucky fella because most women would be pretty wobbly to get an ass that big.

I've just seen she has been nominated in the Female Category - so maybe one of the guys did beat her from the longlist?

Lena Dunham is definitely not a model, though

www.truthrevolt.org/sites/default/files/styles/content_full_width/public/field/image/articles/lena.jpg?itok=pDoLFWSh

Lass - have you seen the video? I didn't know half the people in it but I thought it was well directed and put together. Also, great use of futuristic London skyline (and Tower Bridge).

Who has, achieve?

I love the TS video. Sorry!

Lass watch Anaconda and see if it changes your mind.

I'm not going to hold Beyoncé up as an example of someone doing it for the black girls.

It's all well and good to sing about female power, but doing it in a titillating outfit designed to get the blokes drooling and being "beautiful" in a classically all white American style of long silky (often blonde) hair, slim (yeah yeah she has curves but only compared to all the other waifs out there) and just-tanned-enough-skin is fake fake fake.

She's powerful, but she's powerful because she plays the game which requires you to talk the talk whilst conforming to the beauty standard, and the marriage standard and every other written and unwritten rule regarding when females can be allowed to have "power".

It's a marketing exercise.

Fair enough but to say she's only famous for being as white as possible while still black is a bit unfair IMO

MyChild - both TS and NM have been nominated in best video by a female artist. It's in the best video overall that TS is there and NM isn't.

as a fair-skinned non-white person I'm also a bit uncomfortable when people say "she is famous for being as white as possible".

Not a fan of either tbh.

Agree with Stainless - VMAs are trash

But, Minaj thinks she is entitled to win an award for best video? Did she go to the same school of self-entitlement as Kanye?

There is nothing good about any of these music videos starring these female artists lately - Minaj, Rhihanna, JLo & Iggy, Beyonce. All get your butt out and hope to win an award? I'd like to see them getting an award for putting clothes on and doing something innovative and worthy of an award. But instead they bitch and whine. Yay! Real feminism there

Although even if they did but some clothes on, there'd be hundreds of other wannabees waiting in the wings ready to gyrate naked in a video.

Yet Ed Sheeran (to the best of my knowledge) has never done a song entitled "Check out my (big juicy)" and paraded about in a thong in a video.

Exactly going

And I don't want to hear anyone saying its "ironic". Is it fuck.

The "ironic" comment also came out with the Robin Thicke video. I saw the clothed version before even being aware of the other one and I just thought, how grim is this? For the record, I'm not saying "ban it", I'm just saying my reaction was "erckle".

All very well said stainlesssteel.

Exactly going

I'm black and I also love Taylor Swift.

But ffs, that Snacknda video! I would not let children watch it! It's basically porn!

Anaconda, not , snacksnda, or whatever my phone autocorrected to!