Dd 12 just asked me "what do I do about the hair down there?"

[Ledkr]

What a bloody shame.

Interesting question. Why is it that feminists question social conditioning when it comes to shaving, make up etc. but don't question the social conditioning of showering daily etc?

"Interesting question. Why is it that feminists question social conditioning when it comes to shaving, make up etc. but don't question the social conditioning of showering daily etc?"

Because everyone, man, women, hairy, unhairy- smell if they don't wash.

Had just that convo with my dd yesterday! And I have also had the porn chat with her.
Honesty is the best policy i think, sounds like you did what I would do.

I can't be arsed to shave really, DH isn't arsed either so she sees plenty of hair and I don't think she would have a clue about whether people shave it off or not.
As for being smelly I've never noticed!?

But isn't it social conditioning? If everyone didn't shower daily then it would be socially acceptable not to. I remember when I was small bath night was a Sunday very old my great grandparents used to have a tin bath Which they all shared the water. society has changed and it's only socially acceptable now to shower daily.

But it's social conditioning that applies to everyone, regardless of gender. And it is not telling women that their genitals are uniquely smelly, dirty and disgusting, and need to be modified in order to be acceptable.

But shaving isn't exclusive to woman either most men in my experience also shave their genitalia

ledkr. Does your DD see you naked? Other non teen females? I know I did at her age, so other than tidying up the edges 'doing something' wouldn't have occured to me. In a very non arsey way, I'd be interested in knowing why you feel it's sad she asked and why you posted in this section. Do you think she is being out under pressure to do it and if where from?

In other arguments... I prefer it all waxed off, to me it feels nicer & yes, it feels cleaner to me, especially when I have my period, but at other times too. I always shower once a day, usually twice. I also prefer the feeling when having sex, it's more sensitive. The first time I did it was to see if it felt as nice as when you've had your legs waxed and it did, nothing to do with porn whatsoever. I don't wax anything now though as it's too expensive where I live and I can't inflict that much pain on myself

Insisting it's just a porn thing or non feminist thinking, is really narrow minded.

hak I don't think anyone said 'dirty smelly and disgusting'. I think a few of us have now said we find ourselves to be 'less smelly' when we remove the hair, it's a personal observation and choice in the same way that preferring to dye your hair or not is.

It's nothing to do with telling anyone else, male or female, what they should do with their pubic hair. You're turning it into a feminist issue when it's not. It's a personal issue.

This is dejavu of another thread. Can someone please post that hilarious link someone posted on the other thread? (I would do it myself but I have no idea how!)

Hope this link works

The Toast just won. Thread over.

No Chilling, on the many, many, many other threads about this, women who don't remove every non visible hair on their bodies have been told that they are: Dirty. Lazy. Smelly. Disgusting. Not real women. Ill groomed. Vile. Stupid. Ridiculous. and on, and on. It gets a little wearing that, when you don't conform to porn culture and patriarchal notions of feminine beauty, other women use such pejorative words against you.

Like the Toast article though.

But that's simply not true. No one has ever told me that I'm dirty, smelly etc etc if I didn't shave. I told myself!
Feminists can choose. That's the point!

I support the right of my dd to remove her hair if she wants to.

The fact is that she does not want her fellow 13 year old classmates (boys & girls) to see stray hairs that may escape from her leotard.

I have never removed mine. She has seen me naked plenty if times.

This is purely her choice.

But maddy- you told us earlier that it was our choice if we wanted to be smelly!

"I would rather not smell. Your choice if you want too, the same as it's my choice not too."

Your exact words, maddy!

It isn't purely her choice Pictures. If she didn't want to show pubic hair then why not wear shorts instead of a leotard? Why not wear a leotard that won't show hairs? Why not trim? Why shave?

I find this so sad that something so natural as pubic hair has become eponymous with smelly, taboo to even see (even though clothes are cut to make them visible for women - but not men of course) so much so that 13 yr old girls feel pressurised to shave.

It's shit.

Shorts are not allowed. Dds leotards are the ones specified by her school. Ballerinas don't wear shorts.

And she hasn't shaved. She tried using scissors but now uses cream.

Yet male ballerinas aren't at risk of showing off their pubic hair. Only women. Wonder why that is?

No, lol just their meat & two veg!

I guess the dance belts they wear stop a lot being seen, plus their tights are thicker

It is your choice if you want to smell :)

Maddy, are you seriously expecting us to believe that you can smell unshaven fannies through clothing, from a distance, in normal social circumstances? Is your sense of smell that amazingly discriminating across the board, or is it only fannies? Have you done a blind smelling test to see if you can out-perform random chance, with a 95% confidence interval? Because I simply do not believe you.

To be honest, if a friend came up to me and said that, I'd think she had a serious problem, and that problem would not be an oversensitive sense of smell. And yes, I do intend to be rude - because you have been exceptionally rude by telling me I have a smelly fanny (a slur, btw, which has a lot of misogynistic overtones).