Why can't we have a 'Stand up to violence against women night'?

[Scarletohello]

Whilst I applaud the ideals of the Stand up to cancer tonight, I wonder why we can't have a similar night against violence towards women, raising money for charities such as Rape Crisis, Women's Aid, Refuge, Karma Nivarna and raising awareness on these issues?

Will it ever happen??

Probably not. But why...?

Alpaca, it's 'Not all men are like that' and tends to be used to derail a conversation about things like violence against women.

You didn't read my posts very well then did you?

I offered an alternative and objective viewpoint. If i can be enlightened and educated to see things from a different point of view them I welcome it. But so far all I've been offered is the same patronising tone you are offering me now.

Tell me, how does that help exactly?

Sadly this bloody MRA troll is demonstrating exactly why a stand up against violence against women night would be so difficult to do...

The "not all men are like that" argument is also largely invalid. Again, you've projected a stereotype onto me. Again, not helpful.

We have the White Ribbon campaign where I am as well, but I am not all that familiar with what they have done.

What I have noticed is that one of the national TV stations has been broadcasting many stories in which women have been killed by their husbands/boyfriends/male partners. They take the issue seriously and treat the news story with the gravity it deserves, highlighting men's violence against women. The more we as individuals, groups, corporations, and society, speak about this the issue, the more momentum it will gain. A very good thing.

I read your posts; the above are fair paraphrases. If that's not how you intended them to come across, maybe you need to rephrase them.

I don't think you are here in good faith, for the reasons I have posted above, so I have no interest in "helping" you.

I'm sure you'll get over it.

I'm not MRA either. The MRA are idiots as far as I'm concerned. Another stereotype.

Take the time to talk to me, but be respectful, i would do the same to you, is it to much to ask the same in return?

Please just go away. This thread ISNT ABOUT YOU!!

I've heard of White Ribbon, think one of our male regulars might be involved in some way.

I actually came here to show some interest as my sister was a victim of domestic violence and thought my input would be helpful. But so far the attitude I've seen is disgusting. You may disagree and think that's your right to be like that so be it. But you've done nothing to encourage me to fight your corner. In fact quite the opposite.

I can see then level of intolerance is never going to allow this conversation beyond being childish, making assumptions and making wide spread sweeping generalisations. So I think I'll leave it here.

Thank you, Scarletohello

Unbelievable.

Take the time to talk to me, but be respectful, i would do the same to you

uber is literally telling us how to behave within half a dozen posts. Classic, hilarious and unsurprising.

Alpaca

No problem at all - I'll start doing just that (certainly if I post more on this thread). I suppose it might help to preface each and every post with an identifier, so that new comers will be able to distinguish. As the tesco ads says "Every little helps". Cadno - As a man !

I am going to quote one of your own posts in another part of MN, as unnsavory as that might be. You have said of the posters in FWR:

"I'm frankly quite upset at the attitude of some of the women on here.

I visited some of the feminist sections and wow! Misandry galore. We are always being told feminism is about the progression of equality. But all I've seen seen so far is hateful stereotyping and over offensive cliches about certain sections of the male gender."

A response to you from a longtime male poster on MN was to point out the inequalities that women on the whole suffer, which are relatively far, far, far larger than the ones men suffer. And yet you come here and spout your views as if they are going to 'help' those who are living this sufferance on a daily basis. Why you take such umbrage at the the things that are said about men, especially if you don't self-identify as an MRA? Why do you need to come into a discussion about men's violence against women and make this all about you? Is there something lacking in your life and your self-esteem that doesn't allow you to separate your own identity from that of the types of men being discussed in this thread? You may not self-identify as an MRA, but you sure have all the hallmarks of one.

I know, there's only so much mansplaining I can take before I've finished my first coffee.

Here's the UK white ribbon website:

www.whiteribboncampaign.co.uk/

Good to see they're covering psychological abuse as well, seen so many women on here treated absolutely hideously, but feeling they can't leave because he hasn't hit them.

Oh sorry cadno I was saying thanks in reference to your post @ 9:15 I thought you were answering my question.

My 'as a man' post was in reference to uberquiz at 9:20

A thread about violence towards women being derailed what a surprise never seen that before

Sounds like what is happening in New Zealand is far more progressive than our society is prepared to be whenever DV against women is mentioned it has to follow with DVD towards men and as balls posted NAMALT

For just a few high profile people to be brave enough to say 2 women are being killed a week thousands suffering violence (the impact on children will always come into this) this is what we are talking about

Thanks for the link, Boulevard.

Ooh. A virtual march!

dv not DVD ...

Need to turn off auto correct

The site says white ribbon day is the 25th November, that's conveniently close, but far enough for us to organise stuff..?

There are a few - reclaim the night, slutwalk, million women rise to name three.

More protest than fundraising, granted, but it's a little different reall
y - there is research into the causes and potential cures of cancer, that requires funding, hence something to put money into which is likely to make a real difference. VAW isn't like that. Yes we can donate money to organisations who.help victims, but there is no biological cause.and.hence.no scientific cure. It's behaviour and choice of men to commit VAW and there is.no way to prevent that, realistically, without the particular.men involved deciding not to hurt women any more.

How is asking someone to be respectful telling you what to do?

Isn't respect what we all want? Or did I miss something?

I came here with a genuine interest and to see what I could do to help. But what I saw was not very nice. I understand to a degree the plight of feminism. But you're doing exactly what men do. Sorry if that makes you uncomfortable but its true. I would never start a thread about domestic violence making a ton of baseless assumptions and generalisations about men, I just wouldn't.

As I said, stating facts and enlightening people helps, I don't have a problem with being proven wrong. But making assumptions about me ranging from being controlling and an MRA are so far off the mark its not even funny.

Anyway, I can see I'm not welcome here, nor are you able to talk without accusation so I bid you farewell. Good luck with all your endeavours.