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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Feminist pub no 12: The Bluestocking Returns, this time with goats!

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YonicScrewdriver · 05/10/2014 09:18

Welcome!

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NormaStanleyFletcher · 10/10/2014 12:02

On a different subject to surnames...

This quote has just come up on my FB, I think it is rather good

Rape is about violence, not sex. If a person hits you with a spade you wouldn't call it gardening

YonicScrewdriver · 10/10/2014 12:02

Like it.

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AnnieLobeseder · 10/10/2014 12:05

Absolutely vezzie - more wifework.

TessOfTheFurbyvilles · 10/10/2014 12:05

Annie - I wish I had doubled up my name.

I kept my maiden name as a second middle name, but ended up being a Mrs W* like my MIL, who over subsequent years showed her true colors. Well both my ILs did. Toxic people. Toxic parents to my DH, toxic grandparents to my DCs.

If I knew then, when I know now, I would never have changed OR would have doubled up (like I said before).

That way, I could have simply stopped using the double name, and just use "my" part of it.

Anyway, it has taken 9 years to see sense, but I'm now back to F*** as my surname. We all are. DH's idea. He said by changing our family name, we can be completely "free" from them.

We went NC with DH's parents at the start of the year - best decision ever - and petitioned a court here in Pennsylvania to change our family name to my maiden name. It took four months to get a decision (had to do background checks on us, which took longer of course, as all our "history" is back in the UK) but a judge agreed it last Friday, and on Tuesday we placed notice in two local newspapers, as required by law. So it's now official, we are the F*** family, and I have my lovely French surname back properly (and not just as a middle name).

When we got married, it felt right for me to change to DH's name, somehow the tradition rubbed off on me and it felt like it was the "proper" thing to do. The last few months have changed how I feel about that now. If/when my three daughters marry, I will respect whatever they decide, but I would gently encourage them to either (a) double up or (b) stick to their name.

NB: We've already got all our new paperwork and cards from the bank, so I need to start getting used to signing my name as Tess F again!

PetulaGordino · 10/10/2014 12:13

vezzie a colleague who divorced after two years of marriage, and had to go through the rigmarole of changing her name back to her unmarried name, said if she ever married again she wouldn't change to her second h's name. but she is remarried, and she did change her name. she said the admin part that was such a PITA when she was divorcing felt like a positive and happy thing to do when she was remarrying again. i don't think there was any outward pressure beyond the socialisation aspects of romance and being a family etc

AnnieLobeseder · 10/10/2014 12:14

Heh heh, Tess, with the stars it looks like your name is a rude word!!

Sounds like a LOT more work in the US. All I had to do was sign a bit of paper with the proper words on it and get a mate to sign as witness.

PetulaGordino · 10/10/2014 12:15

choice not in a vacuum, and all that

PetulaGordino · 10/10/2014 12:16

sorry, x-post

i didn't think it was as difficult as that in the uk either

TessOfTheFurbyvilles · 10/10/2014 12:41

Annie - I forget that the stars are the bold on here, so it took out two of my stars, and did indeed make it look like we are the "duck" family!

We are in fact, now the F _ family!

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PetulaGordino · 10/10/2014 12:46
Grin
AnnieLobeseder · 10/10/2014 12:46

Focker?

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TessOfTheFurbyvilles · 10/10/2014 13:00

Oh I wish Annie, I wish!

WorkingBling · 10/10/2014 13:00

I kept my name and ds has dh name. Dh is very keen to give dc2 my name. But I am resisting simply because I feel like I already fight so many battles by insisting on being Ms MyName. I am not sure I have the strength to fight the battle if why my children have different names but the same parents. If it's a girl, I know I am going to feel like a bad feminist!

Which actually beings me to one of my issues. Even when making a decision that affects no one but me and my family, making a feminist decision requires so much strength. It never ceases to amaze me how people feel they have the right to comment. Or upset me that I give up on things because I get work down by it. No one would ever say to my face, "how can you call dd Mary? It's a terrible name!" Even f they are thinking it. But if I call new dc my surname I know I will have to justify it a thousand times.

How do I get stronger?!

TessOfTheFurbyvilles · 10/10/2014 13:09

Bling - you don't have to justify anything to anyone else. This is a decision for you and your DH alone, and if you are both happy with the decision you make, screw everyone else.

NB: You'd be surprised thought, that people can and do comment on first names to your face too. My DD2 (1) is actually a Mary and a member of my family asked me, "are you naming a baby or an 80-year old?" Angry

PenguinsIsSleepDeprived · 10/10/2014 13:20

The name thing is a gripe for me too. I changed my name because I like the idea of a whole family name. Me, DH and our (the future) kids. And it simply didn't occur to me that I could do that other ways than me changing or DH changing. I considered keeping my maiden name for work, but it seemed a big old hassle to have two names, so I didn't.

So on one level I am happy with my decision. It did what I wanted it to. But on the other, I feel I let the side down by making that decision 10 years ago and before I got really inot feminism. My tiny stand is incrementally changing to Ms not Mrs on things.

I have the feminist rage today with various things on MN. I think tomorrow's enforced down time will be good for me!

PetulaGordino · 10/10/2014 13:22

mary's such a lovely name. sadly dp doesn't like it

workingbling i bet your dh doesn't have to justify those things that only affect you as a family either - just you

how do you get stronger? i've asked this before on here, and the answer seems to be "as time goes by you start to give less of a shit" Wink

PetulaGordino · 10/10/2014 13:29

penguins i think i saw the thread you were on. there's not much more anyone can say there

TessOfTheFurbyvilles · 10/10/2014 13:41

Petula - you need to get that printed on things like mugs, and then start selling them, you'd make a fortune!

SconeRhymesWithGone · 10/10/2014 13:43

I kept my name; the children have DH's name. My daughter took her husband's name when she married, but kept her maiden name as her middle name as is the usual practice in the States. It's also fairly common practice to give children the mother's surname as a middle name as in Charlotte Clinton Medvinsky.

Name changing can indeed be a bit of a pain in the US; how it's done varies by state, but in most instances, you need a court order for a change to be fully accepted by all institutions. It used to be a pro forma process, but with national security, fraud, and identity theft issues much more prominent, it can now be more complicated and time consuming.

PenguinsIsSleepDeprived · 10/10/2014 13:45

There's a few really. The pink coat one. The girls matter one. The sleep one. The ones about gender preference. Pretty much all of relationships...

YonicScrewdriver · 10/10/2014 13:46

Tess, is your real life surname Furbie then??

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PetulaGordino · 10/10/2014 13:50

Grin tess

TessOfTheFurbyvilles · 10/10/2014 13:50

Again, I wish Yonic, I wish.

(It does sound like it could be French though doesn't it?)

PetulaGordino · 10/10/2014 13:54

fauque?

PetulaGordino · 10/10/2014 13:57

given that you're not going to out yourself tess, we could be here a while Grin