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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Minor male entitlements

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kentishgirl · 18/09/2014 09:41

It's not just the big things, it's the little things that are in some way more irritating to me.

Just got out of the dentist. It's a small practise and I guess the receptionist is off sick as the reception desk still had shutters down, so they were a little bit late opening up. One woman was sitting in waiting room when I arrived. A man came in a little after me.

The dentist came out and opened up the desk.

Guess who quickly jumped up and got there to be dealt with first?

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GarlicSeptimus · 24/09/2014 19:30

a "career" is often something that only the privileged are able to have

This is something I feel feminism still fails to address. In speaking of women (and men) with jobs rather than careers, it still adopts a "them" attitude. It's understandable, given the nature of the movement, but alienating and pretty damn stupid imo.

EBearhug · 25/09/2014 08:41

One thing I've noticed is men taking lads holidays, or staying home alone while their wives/partners take the children to grandparents for a week - which would be fair enough if their wives got a similar break at a different time, but in most cases, that never seems to happen. So the men are in the office all day, then have holidays alone, but the SAHMs who support them never get a break from parenting.

I may have been known to make some rather sarcastic remarks on this matter when it's come up in conversation.

minipie · 25/09/2014 20:39

EBear that is similar to something I've noticed.

We know lots of couples with babies and small children. The fathers quite frequently seem to organise sporting things at weekends which obviously will require someone else looking after the DC. For example: triathlon; golf weekend; cricket match; going to the rugby. It is clearly just expected that someone else (the mother) will do the childcare. The women don't organise child incompatible activities.

Another thing: My DH's work (heavily male with SAHWs) quite often organises client entertainment events which are "and partner". These often happen during working hours. Obviously the wife is expected to have no job herself and be free to come along to Glyndebourne Hmm. DH is always rather miffed when I turn these down but why would I use up my precious annual leave attending his client events when I barely have time to attend my own?

YonicScrewdriver · 25/09/2014 20:42

Yy mini pie.

PetulaGordino · 25/09/2014 20:59

yes minipie re hobbies. i said similar on the "passions" thread the other week. women are supposed to have hobbies that they can do at the same time as caring for children (or at least, that they can do at home while the children are in bed), like baking, crafts - things that are also productive so can be worn, eaten, given as presents etc

men are more able to have hobbies that are incompatible with children and take them out of the house several times a week for several hours at a time, with expensive, bulky and specifically dedicated equipment and an output that is usually for their own benefit (sports like fishing and shooting will bring home some food i guess)

YonicScrewdriver · 25/09/2014 21:13

I kept meaning to go back to that thread.

CrotchMaven · 25/09/2014 21:31

That assumption that childcare is defaulted to women is something that enrages me (lots does, tbh). Especially the weekend stuff. There's nothing wrong with each parent having time-consuming hobbies. But the lack of discussion is what gets me. How fucking dare they? There should be a national strike. Sunday mornings - women's time. If you already get weekend time, just shift it to Sunday morning. If not, take Sunday morning, Sunday 5th October. Let there be lots of clubs and shit opening - whatever women want to do. But no preparation - "I'll be out tomorrow, in for tea. Oh, and I've put you down for the sandwich rota for a week on Sunday. That OK? Kids will love watching their mum."

HazleNutt · 26/09/2014 12:20

According to one survey cited in HBO's 2011 documentary, "When Strangers Click: Five Stories From the Internet." when online dating, men and women have quite a different main worry. Women are afraid of meeting a serial killer, while men are afraid of meeting someone who is fat.

Yes, you read it right. While we are worried about being murdered while just carrying out simple, everyday activities like dating, men only worry that they might not find their date totally physically attractive. Not sure this even qualifies as 'minor' entitlement.

PetulaGordino · 26/09/2014 12:37

blimey

WhyTheCagedBirdTweets · 26/09/2014 12:38

A man just talking on the radio about making his wife cancel a birthday weekend she'd planned for him so he could watch sport on TV. It'd also be their last weekend before she has their child. He admitted that there were tears. There seemed little disagreement to the idea that he was entitled to do this.

minipie · 26/09/2014 14:46

A common family entitlement: It is the weekend. A woman with young children needs to do a job which needs some quiet/space/whatever. She checks with her partner that he is ok to be in sole charge for an hour. A man is, IME, far more likely to simply announce that he is doing X

Yes -or don't even announce and just go and do it - the disappearing off for the half hour poo is an example!

ElephantsNeverForgive · 26/09/2014 21:42

I'm the one guilty of disappearing to the loo for some peace here.

DH hides in his study with his computer!

Greengrow · 27/09/2014 07:35

We never did that (may be because I checked before we married he was a feminist and we agreed my work would come first - I earned more) in terms of weekends. However we did when the children were younger agree who would have them when at the weekend. We had a period when I had them all day Saturday and he worked and we swapped on the Sunday.

When men I meet through work tell me their wife is expecting a baby I always make sure I ask about childcare and work rather than assume the woman will be home, particularly now there is the new right that the man can take part of the leave.

I think it was really important I had a study in this house. When we moved here I made sure the downstairs had lots of separate rooms. No reason men get studies and women share kitchens with children at home.

SJ2222 · 03/11/2014 09:46

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