Why are feminists so threatened by the MRA movement?

[LaVoixDeLaRaison]

When I was at university, the Gender Equality society (of which I was a member) chose to rename itself the Feminist society, arguing that the only way equality could be achieved was by focusing on women's issues. This led some other students to set up an MRA group, which was met with some resistance from the feminists. On this very board I see commenters angrily referring to MRAs as if they are all members of an evil homogeneous group.

Isn't it possible that men and women both suffer oppression from society in different ways? That the levels of this oppression are not necessarily equal, but are still important if we are to achieve equality? I often see feminists agreeing with certain 'male issues' (e.g. media stereotypes, elevated male suicide rate), but suggesting that feminism has other priorities, and if they want to do something about these issues then they should make their own groups. Why do they get criticized when they do exactly that? Better still, wouldn't feminism be better off if it didn't alienate so many men (and women, focused on a wider range of issues, and stopped pitting the sexes against one another?

There are nutters on both sides - probably best to just ignore them.

The answer to the OP questions of "Will you do.....?" is "NO, I FUCKING WON'T!" NO MAN gets to tell me to do, or not to do.

I don't think you'd recognise misogyny if it was painted on the side of a bus in 8 foot high letters, and the bus hit you in the face.

That, by the way, is because you are a closet misogynist. Or actually not quite so closeted.

what would be an "honest conclusion" here then?

Women are reporting them honestly and accurately. The fact that MRA twats don't like the facts doesn't make them less true.

But seriously, try harder with the finding a nice MRA task. If you wouldn't mind ever so much.

find me an MRA site where they are talking about how to tackle male violence

thanks!

feminists' claims about women's pay, rape statistics, and domestic violence which of these 'claims' (or 'lies', as you put it first) do you take issue with?

I am seeking, so far in vain, an MRA site discussion of the global scale of male on male violence.

I'll second that, TheOriginal, I want to know too.

I want to see an MRA site that is rational, logical, and sets out the evidence clearly, building the arguments to a conclusion which doesn't require fantastical mental gymnastics to understand. Ta OP!

I don't think mentioning Eliot Rodger is 'name dropping', and neither do I think it's a particularly risible or weak thing to do. Stories like this really matter, in terms of what they tell us about perceptions of women - they're relevant to the discussion.

So, the MRA would prefer feminists to discuss matter without refering to that case, for whatever reason, and you agree with that. Which of the other things I quoted do you actually have no problem with?

I have been trying to play devil's advocate and have been Googling men's rights campaigns in the hope of finding one that actually seeks to improve the lives of men without trampling all over women in the process.

I couldn't find one. In fact, apart from F4J, the only active campaign I could find was one about women making false rape accusations.

Remind me again, Voix, why feminists should get on board with MRAs?

LineRunner...... Or one which discusses the number of men in abusive homosexual relationships. Or one which discusses anything and uses reliable data to back it up when called out.

To paraphrase Freud.... what does a MRA want? it's very clear what they don't like - feminists. It's not so clear why, except a nebulous sense of feminists as liars and fools. What I'm not getting is why that is so - what effect are their lies and their idiocy having? What, actually, is the problem?

I don't think mentioning Eliot Rodger is 'name dropping', and neither do I think it's a particularly risible or weak thing to do. Stories like this really matter, in terms of what they tell us about perceptions of women - they're relevant to the discussion.

And more importantly, they tell us about the OP's perceptions as well. "Birds of a feather flock together" as they say.

You try and tell feminists they're wrong and men are more oppressed than them, and they'll just start citing some very recent, very disturbing, very violent instance of misogynistic serial killing. Stupid wimmin.

There's also a forum on reddit that helpfully points out the specific examples of misogyny that you somehow can't see. www.reddit.com/r/againstmensrights/ (pretty sure you know about it already though, and like most mras have decided to close your eyes to reality.)

Where has the OP gone? Has our plaything disappeared? Waahhhhhh, our rights are being infringed!!!!!!!!!!!

Not only was Elliot Rogers a misogynistic spree killer, he was one who had swallowed the MRA message whole. He is the shape of MRAs to come. Scary shit which needs highlighting.

But, dochaknow, Elliot Rogers doesn't count because some of his victims were actual people, erm, men.

How any group which cites inability for men to have an abortion as the best example of men's marginalized, disenfranchised status, can think that using Elliot Rodgers as any kind of example of anything is a problem is beyond me. It's like the twat calling the kettle a twat.

Because the MRA groups have been largely taken over by men who resent women having equal rights, and in some cases are certain that women have taken over and are running the place.

Yes, there are men who are more realistic, and realize, for example, that family law courts making assumptions about either parent based on gender, are trampling on parental rights, and more importantly, the children's rights. But for every one of them, I bet there are two misogynistic misfits who beleive the whole sytems is run by women whose long term goal is to reduce men to sperm donors.

TheOriginalSteamingNit
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ifyourehoppyandyouknowit

I think it's inaccurate to say 'women' are reporting them accurately, as if all women agree with modern feminism. Here is a woman and a feminist explaining the stats which she feels are misreported by some feminists. The same arguments have no doubt been made by men, anti-feminists, and misogynists. What matters is that arguments are based on proper academic rigour, and are not influenced by politics. That's what I mean by honest conclusions.

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CaptChaos

Any sane person would agree that Elliot Rodgers' actions and beliefs were absolutely reprehensible. In my opinion he was mentally ill, and part of that mental illness was influenced by his unquestionable misogyny. Lots of people (mentally ill or otherwise) have committed atrocious acts in the name of many different ideologies, including feminism. I just don't see how it's useful to bring him into this discussion. Are you trying to suggest that all MRAs are like that, which is the reason why they are so terrible?

so, in answer to the OP's question, which i hope is still considered relevant to the thread, though the OP's decisions as to what is relevant and what isn't seems rather arbitrary

why are feminists so threatened by the MRA "movement"?

because they threaten feminists, so far no evidence has been produced to the contrary

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