Feminist Pub X: Regulars and new faces welcome, consciousness raising is a possibility.

[CaptChaos]

The old pub now has less than 10 posts to go, so I thought I'd start a new one. The old one can be found here

This is a place for feminist pom pom waving and talking about stuff which might not need a thread for itself.

Fill your boots.

Yes, but she rejected traditional role models of nurturing, went off to discover herself, refused the kill-or-be-killed phallo-centric pseudo-theocracy which blinded and threatened the destruction of her society. But yea, she was very Dragonist.

Yes she did go against the grain - but it seemed that Stoick himself didn't set that much stock on the traditional role of cooking and running the house either. Do we know that gender roles are like our world in the world of HTTYD? >

Ah, Comment Is Free. A place I try and avoid.

Uptoapoint also debate though whether HTTYD2 fails Bechdel Test.

Ha! Yes. Very short on female interaction. I enjoyed both the HTTYD films very much. I also enjoy the books. But v. short on female interaction. Author herself said she wrote for her son but her daughter pointed out that there was no female character so she added Camicazi. But there weren't that many female characters to interact with her...

Buffy, you are setting your pearls before swine again. Have a calming

On another note, Women's Aid are running a petition about refuges closing, can I be annoying and ask you to sign it? It's here if you would like to, thanks

I'm currently reading 'Delusions of Gender' by Cordelia Fine - I think I might donate it to DH once I've finished it (his PhD is in neuroscience, and I do occasionally get the whole 'male brain' vs 'female brain' arguments from him).

at no sex discrimination at work - would be awesome if this were the case, but I fear we are still some way off.

captchaos I have signed it. Anyone noticed how the pub is very like RL tonight with people talking across each other, and generally good humoured.

Oh - and petition signed

Signed
Good night

Argh - Buffy, that thread!?! Of all the @?£#! ??? How can anyone think it's not offensive? I'm going to have to hide it too. It's worse than the golliwog thread.

Signed, Capt.

Thanks for signing.

Buffy I caught up with the rest of that shite thread, what a pair of absolute cockwombles! Well, a trio of them in the end but....

I tried to sign, but as I suspected, it would not take my US postcode.

scone I'm US too! just choose a postcode and put it in.

Can you just make one up? Random London post code EC1A 1BB

OK, I'll do that! It's a cause close to my heart. It's particularly disheartening to see this happening in the country that gave birth to the domestic violence refuge/shelter movement.

Signed.

Signed too.

Nothing to add other than I've signed the petition too.

I haven't seen the film, but from the synopsis of the plot it doesn't sound particularly problematic in isolation/context - bearing in mind the first film focused on the son it makes sense that she exsts by having a connection to him, and she does have a defined and independent role with the dragon storyline. But as a pattern of female roles in films it does contribute to the pattern - women exist in relation to men. Mothers, daughters, love interests. Not often sisters, which is another point - a sister could be an equal. Secondly "strong female characters" getting rescued by male characters.

I will sign the WA petition too.

I agree Bertie. For a moment Valka existed as a mysterious powerful figure, but then phew, she's someone's mother, someone's wife, after all. Now we know how to place her.