Feminist Pub X: Regulars and new faces welcome, consciousness raising is a possibility.

[CaptChaos]

The old pub now has less than 10 posts to go, so I thought I'd start a new one. The old one can be found here

This is a place for feminist pom pom waving and talking about stuff which might not need a thread for itself.

Fill your boots.

The north is great! Northerner by birth living darn sarf at the moment and having to cope with my children saying baaaath not bath. It is a battle I'm going to lose I suspect

On the Cumbria/Lancs border. So also practically scots!

Lancashire is the place to live. All the best people come from there .

Bertie your afternoon sounds exhausting. I feel for you!

I miss the north. Lived in the NE for five years. It was lovely

Yes, I looked at that thread and decided to step away. People would think me both cruel and crazy if I weighed in with my whole language analysis thing pointing out how his word choices and sentencing make it sound like he wasn't speaking from the pov of a genuine victim.

Yes I thought that too kickass. It's really difficult to explain how these abusers have a certain narrative that on the surface sounds like a victim but is in fact just co-opting the victim status. Each point could also be explained away (a bit like individual instances of abuse).

Ugh, I got taken in by that thread. Just awful that certain men think they have to spread their particular agenda in areas that are very supportive to women. I'm thinking of a certain poster in the video games blog as well as 'male choke victim'.

Oh the video games blog thread I had to leave. Patronising mansplainer. Agree with you there.

And I hate that these men use a women's support site like that too. It's creepy and not a little sinister.

Absolutely Scallops. I hate his assertion to my posts on that thread - "My (uneducated) views are correct and not to be debated, and your well explained, referenced posts are shite. I will dismiss you because I am a man, and you are a woman." Biggest load of mansplaining idiocy I have seen in some time.

Bless em, they really don't want their misogynistic twatery in gaming dismissed and brought out into the light. As someone else said 'Anita Sarkeesian might be cherry picking, but she's doing it in a cherry orchard'

Another reason not to explain the "abuser passing self off as victim" thing is that it's not a great idea to arm abusers with knowledge of how to sound more victim like.

We are having a mid-autumn festival party. Though it's not quite mid autumn yet and it's going to be cloudy and we won't see the moon. My life is full of the futile attempt to make sure dc know this side of their heritage. I hate the word heritage but can't think of another word, even after 2 crumpets and a cup of tea.

What does a mid-autumn festival entail Lordcopper? It sounds lovely

Gamers and Lancastrians, I certainly do feel at home here!

I was feeling at home, now I'm suspiciously eyeing the people on the wrong side of the Pennines, as I'm vaguely aware is expected of any true Yorkshirewoman.

Brid

I'm from Norfolk. I'm mistrustful of anyone who chooses to live too high above sea level

Capt and others - It pisses me off when it's outsiders coming to MN to defend their precious hobby against evil feminist cherrypickers. It would have been interesting to discuss with actual mumsnetters.

Yy briar - there are lots of MNers who are gamers and/or have children asking to play X game

So many of the arguments come down to "this game is misogynist because of xyz", "Wah Wah Wah I want to play it stop making me question my motives and enjoyment"

The game currently eating all my free time is Skyrim. Any known sexism issues in that one?

My view is that things in gaming are becoming worse by the minute. The sheer volume of abuse AS has had to put up with for the last couple of years is astounding. The abuse that anyone who stands up to be counted with her, also astounding.

Brid how about, those of us who live on God's own side of the Pennines promise not to beat you in any wars for a while? Will you feel more welcome then? although, god knows why I care, I'm a southerner through and through Petula I'll be right by the sea, so you're pretty safe with me as well. I can also go and stand in my cellar if it makes you feel easier

I was going to play Skyrim but then I took an arrow to the knee.

This is probably ill-thought-through etc, but thinking about the internet, gaming, do you think as time goes by and things become "successful" they tend towards misogyny? So as things become more mainstream and/or financially successful they become less welcoming to women?

Yes gaming has gotten worse because the general male net/nerd culture has gotten worse. It could be a combination of their porn habits and sitting in isolation in front of sites like reddit all day and only talking to other MRA types. I don't know.

bertie I agree re not giving abusers tips on how to sound more authentic. They do seem to have a common narrative. I don't like posting in Relationships but it did seem like he was looking for back up to start harassing his ex. On MN FFS! Glad it got deleted.

I agree re not giving abusers tips on how to sound more authentic.

I didn't see that thread, was he given tips? How?