Ched Evans allowed back

[juliascurr]

www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/football-league/ched-evans-sheffield-united-striker-to-return-to-club-after-rape-sentence-despite-petition-garnering-60000-signatures-against-him-9666380.html

really bad news

In my view, his behaviour was appalling that night.

I also think it is interesting that his friend, similarly accused of rape, was found not guilty.

Which of then behaved worse, CM or CE, do you think, core?

You read the judgement and tell me.

Why was his behavior appalling? If he didn't commit assault he just had a one night stand right? Nothing that many of us wouldn't do.

Crikey. One of my posts has been deleted. I have no idea why. Perhaps MN will let me know which rule I broke out of these.

No personal attacks
No posts that break the law
No trolling, misleading or deliberately inflammatory behaviour
No trollhunting
No spamming

Posts are deleted if they propagate rape myths - don't know if yours did.

I have read the judgement. I was asking your opinion.

Posts are deleted if they propagate rape myths - don't know if yours did.

Yeah. That'll be the one.

I have no idea how it did but hey ho -

If you email MNHQ they will tell you.

Quite Yonic - by continuing to deny responsibility despite being convicted and being refused an appeal (i.e. he didn't have any grounds at all to appeal) he is continuing to offend public decency. He is unrepentant. What's more he hasn't served his full sentence - he has been released half way through automatically but the sentence is five years. IMO people who are unrepentant should not qualify for early release.

His family and supporters are harassing and demonising the victim - some of them breaking the law themselves by naming her.

I'm glad DBL Logistics, Jessica Ennis-Hill and Paul Blomfield are standing up against this appalling, unrepentant criminal and against this club and its shameful behaviour.

rape threats against Jessica Ennis for opposing Ched Evan's return to Sheffield United

What an excellent way for Ched Evans to prove Jess Ennis-Hill wrong - suggest that he rapes her. Really, some people are very dense.

It is not in the least bit unreasonable to not want a convicted rapist in any position that is involved being seen as a role model.

That said if he truly believes himself innocent he has every right to attempt to overturn his conviction, but like it or not as a convicted rapist that is now what he represents in the eyes of the law and society.

The focus to my mind in this case is why on earth wasn't the other bloke convicted? He may have had a reasonable belief of consent for his sexual activities with the victim, but surely he was an accessory to the rape the law is convinced occurred?

The focus to my mind in this case is why on earth wasn't the other bloke convicted?

One way to satisfy your curiosity would perhaps be to read about it.

Fuckoffgerbil, what do you mean, why am i allowed to post?

Im a long time mumsnetter, i just happen to disagree with you.

is that why u want to silence me?

core I'm not clear what you are getting at. I'm guessing you are confused about one of them getting off while the other was convicted? But it is explained clearly in the judgement you linked to. Am I missing something?

Also you are correct to say you may have decided differently if you had been there. The reason appeal courts don't overturn jury verdicts unless there has been a misdirection by the judge is that the courts recognise that hearing the evidence and weighing the credibility of the witnesses is best done by the people hearing the evidence directly. You can form any view you want based on whatever views you might hold since you were not on the jury but you should acknowledge that the jury heard the evidence, including from Evans and decided, beyond reasonable doubt, that he was guilty.

the people attacking Jess Ennis-Hill show just what type of people support ched evans, its a disgrace.

Role models should be people you know, not people you like to think you know or think you would like to know. Athletes, actors, movers and shakers in this and that, it makes being famous a model to follow in itself. It transforms the general public into proles who spend their time talking about 'known' people like they are more relevant than what they really are.

What they should be is pretty irrelevant for the scope of this discussion. Whether we like it or not, for a large number of people, football players are aspirational people.

I disagree Puffins, its aspirational for a limited number of people.

For the bulk 'famous person XYZ' just distracts them from their mundane lives. Its buying monogrammed underwear to 'touch the magic'. Hero worship is just not helpful. Its not a duty of care issue so I have no problem with his re-employment, in fact I welcome the controversy quite independent of whether he is or is not a rapist.

If you follow a logic that famous people should simply be 'culled' from public visibility as punishment because of their misdeeds, on the mistaken assumption its good for the public (so that only the 'worthy' remain in sight) you are feeding a cycle that allows the next icon to do whatever they want because the position itself conveys not just status but higher morality.

Who you think should be role models is completely irrelevant to the discussion DadWasHere. Footballers are role models whether you agree or not.

I agree that footballers are role models to the community and may be subject to different standards than others.

However, this case is not clear. the judge did a very poor job in instructing the jury.

There was no evidence that rape had occured at all. there was simply the problem that the woman could not remember the event. She was deemed to have been incapacitated by the alcohol (since she couold not rememebr the events) and not able to give consent. she went willingly to the room with clayton and he was not convicted.

In england, there is a premise that "drunken consent" is consent. However, the only evidence to support her consent was evan's and the other witness's testimony. There was however also no evidence that consent was not given. None. No violence, no evidence form woman. Just, effectively, "if that happened, I would not have agreed to it" argument.

This was a very flawed verdict and something that should be challenged as should most posters views here. you are sexists.