Ched Evans allowed back

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www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/football-league/ched-evans-sheffield-united-striker-to-return-to-club-after-rape-sentence-despite-petition-garnering-60000-signatures-against-him-9666380.html

really bad news

I know, Yonic, she's fab, isn't she? Almost, one might say, a role model for young people

Every time a famous woman says anything about this I shudder a bit because I know the end result is them getting abuse though. Even the ones making excuses for him like Chloe Madely are still being threatened with rape.

It makes me furious. Why the fuck is he not getting loads of abuse?

I agree, if anyone started hurling rape threats at Jess Ennis they'd be shouted down pdq. Which is good, but also shines a depressing light on the relative status of "out" feminists.

Why do people think that Jessica Ennis won't get attacked in the same way as the other women?

I don't really understand.

It is great that she has spoken out though

Jessica Ennis-Hill that should say whoops

Ennis-Hill, yes, my bad too.

I think because she's s popular in the local area, she's perceived as a sporting personality (rather than as a media/political one), she's been very vanilla and safe in what she's spoken about hitherto (totally understandably and rightly so), and she is populist as well as popular - men and women equally admire her and don't see her as threatening or aggressive in any way.

She's Emma Watson-ish in her universal, unthreatening appeal. I think it's helpful, broadly, when women like her pick their battles, and once they've picked them, make their case calmly and unequivocally. It doesn't detract from what more outspoken feminists do, it just helps people on the margins say, "Yeah, I'll agree with Jess/Emma."

She's getting mountains of shit. Rape threats, racist abuse. A lot of support too though.

. That is horrible for her.

Remind me why women don't speak out about rape?

Just seen her twitter account. :(

It just makes you cry. Who are these people who would happily threaten to rape someone? I mean seriously there's trolling and there's having no human decency, no compassion. And thinking rape is just something you do to an uppity woman to shut her up.

Here's Jess's Facebook page, if you want to Like her

www.facebook.com/JessicaEnnisHill?rf=113818761961547

I think she is an absolute star for sticking her head above the parapet KNOWING she'd likely (however fucking wrongly ) be attacked from some twunts quarters.

Gah. Really sorry to have been proved wrong.

Personally, I don't think this case is clear cut at all. I think in order to have a valid opinion on it people should read the unbiased facts, in terms of the actual judgement. Here is the actual judgement in respect of his application to appeal. www.crimeline.info/uploads/cases/2012ewcacrim2559.pdf
I posted a link above which has a summary.

Core, I've read that, as have many of the posters on here - it's regularly posted on threads discussing this case. It's a good link.

He is a convicted rapist alright. However, having read the case, I can not see how he is guilty beyond reasonable doubt. There is a lot of doubt in my mind about his guilt. However, I was not there at the trial and perhaps I would have concluded otherwise had I been there.

The Guildford 4 and the Birmingham 6 were convicted bombers too, of course.

Corestrategy so is your position that we should all assume that people who have been convicted (by a jury who saw the evidence) are innocent? Until they admit their guilt?

Would it be more reasonable to assume that when someone is convicted it is because they are actually guilty and in those cases maybe then decide as a society if we want rapists in the media?

Fuckoff No, that is not my position at all but I understand why you think that.

People say that one of the reasons why he should not go back into playing professional football is because he shows no remorse. However, the reason he shows no remorse is because he is protesting his innocence. I think that there is a substantial difference between the two. What bothers me is that many people are taking media reports and gossip at face value.

Core, I see your point about not expressing remorse/his appeal.

But he isn't staying silent, he's apologised publically to his girlfriend for infidelity and he has not condemned those who have outed and badgered the woman involved - who is entitled to anonymity for life WHATEVER the verdict.

If he was saying - "I maintain my innocence and continue the legal process but I absolutely condemn attacks on the complainant" then I think the picture would look somewhat different, don't you?

No I'm taking his shitty fucking website at face value.