Feminist Pub IX. Newbies and regulars welcome - pop your cognitive dissonance down outside and have a gin.

[LRDtheFeministDragon]

Right, thought I'd better start a new pub. I warn you, my knowledge of Roman numerals conks out shortly after this one, so either buffy will have to start the next thread, or we'll have to go Arabic.

Everyone is welcome in - if you want to chat, or just jump in with a question/link/gin, please do. Especially if it's too small for a thread or you don't feel up to thread-starting.

The old thread has, at my count, about 9 posts to go, and it was here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/2126791-Feminist-Pub-VIII-not-as-prolific-as-the-Swaggerers-but-there-are-cushions-and-consciousness?

We were just chatting about feministy light reading, and will doubtless meander onto other topics shortly.

OFFS I've been looking for a thing to click to find that Buffy I didn't notice yours was a clicky. Doh! Thanks

Passes seven the ...

Thanks

"It's not like FWR is some sort of trade disputes arbiter"

Buffy, if you aim to serve, can you set one of these up in the back room of the pub?

I will take the minutes

Buffy, explain the concept: are we recommending general tradespeople like plumbers, etc, but in non-sexist language; or are we recommending feminist-friendly people qua people?

I think we do need a directory of - stuff - that will not piss you off when you are in tragic feminist blues and need a pick me up.

I have a short list consisting of

Celine and Julie go Boating
We Are The Best
My really good friend R (sorry if you don't know her, but she is ace)
A load of stories by Mavis Gallant
Harriet The Spy

there are others but I can't remember them

how did the half tradesperson get in there? were they part time (work or sexism i guess)?

Maybe they were sexist on Tuesday Thursday And Saturday only?

We could start a campaign to mention it on Checkatrade?

Gaudy Night and Kiki's Delivery Service are feministy things that cheer me up.

or only in the morning before they'd had their first cup of tea to set them up for the day?

Ok I have done some awful shaming sales work in my time (briefly! And I felt guilty about it! And I still do now!) and although most male sales people are terrible sexist gits, the main reason why they need the husband to be around when they are selling at you, is because there is no point manipulating one half of a couple to the ends of the earth only for the other half of the couple to come home and break the spell. So they often won't sell to men alone either, as they know the woman will come home and go "you bought what? You know there's a cooling off period by law, right?" and then it's all over.

Once a used car salesman said "I've got a nice little car for you here. I think you'll like it. I put my wife in one of these". I imagined her clawing the windows, trying to get out.

(I remembered that years later when some friends were discussing what was suitable dress for a baby's naming ceremony - should it be formal, like a christening, we wondered? - and one of the women said she didn't know what her husband should wear as he had no smart-casual, "but I don't want to put him in a suit")

I told a man at a wedding whom I had never met before - struggling for conversation so deciding to flatter him by asking advice, as he seemed to be a petrol head - that I needed to buy a car and had no idea what to look at other than VWs as my father and boyfriend just said "get a VW". he said "Well they're right, it's a good car for a lady because they're very safe when you crash."

So let's leave them out of the directory, then. I think we can put these on the black-list. When they have done 30 hours of women's studies we can maybe look at their rating again.

ABlandAndDeadly - you mean the Dorothy Sayers book? (itchy kindle finger hovering)

Kiki - yes, yes and again yes

My three year old says "aksherly". I love it. She says it when she has changed her mind, in a pensive, considered way. "Powwidz. No, aksherly: shweddies"

vezzie i worked in a phone shop for about three weeks before i got another job. never again.

Yy vezzie - when I negotiate professionally, it's always helpful to not have all the decision makers in the room ("well, I can see your point, but the chair/CEO/teagentleman may need to be persuaded...)

Oh yes I do, vezzie!

(Re DLS)