Feminist Pub IX. Newbies and regulars welcome - pop your cognitive dissonance down outside and have a gin.

[LRDtheFeministDragon]

Right, thought I'd better start a new pub. I warn you, my knowledge of Roman numerals conks out shortly after this one, so either buffy will have to start the next thread, or we'll have to go Arabic.

Everyone is welcome in - if you want to chat, or just jump in with a question/link/gin, please do. Especially if it's too small for a thread or you don't feel up to thread-starting.

The old thread has, at my count, about 9 posts to go, and it was here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/2126791-Feminist-Pub-VIII-not-as-prolific-as-the-Swaggerers-but-there-are-cushions-and-consciousness?

We were just chatting about feministy light reading, and will doubtless meander onto other topics shortly.

Yes, I positively wilt if anyone says the word fuck within 50 paces of me.

I did once hear a child who couldn't be more than 5 years old shouting down the road for a grown up to hurry the fuck up.

We need something for tea. Fish and chips maybe. Anything with chips so I can have some wasabi mayonnaise. I'm addicted to wasabi...

Eeek!

I might have wilted slightly at that!

penguins - just jump in, or you'll be there all day!

I swear far too much and always feel guilty in front of people's kids.

I swear too much too.

I have a few male colleagues who swear and I've noted other colleagues looking at me aghast. WTF!? I like the sweary colleagues...

I've been being picked up on it since I was a child, so I doubt it's going to stop any time soon. I had an awesome English teacher who let me and my friend do a project on the historical origins of swearwords when we were 13 - she figured that if she didn't make out that it was shocking we wouldn't start assuming it was somehow clever. She was right, but it also gave both of us great affection for a inventive turns of phrase.

I think that's why I'm so at home on MN - I love works like wankbadgers.

Ooh LRD, share some inventive swearing. I need some new options. And some . It is the weekend. I can have

I do love it when people tell me that, because I swear a lot that I must have a really small vocabulary and not be very bright.

Yeah, they got me! I r a bit fick innit.

Mmm, in retrospect, most of the ones we thought were very clever are also very misogynistic. Which is why I prefer wankbadgers now.

But here is the

chaos - oh, yes. Such a cop-out.

I said "fuck sake" in front of the architect on site this week and he physically recoiled and said "stop swearing at me!" My opinion of him has plummeted.

We all merrily swear at work, and it's probably 40% men to 60% women. Not heaps of gratuitous swearing, just where appropriate and necessary. No-one bats an eyelid.

I am particularly proud today that my 9yo DD1 can burp the alphabet. Just a short generation ago (and in other families, still today) she would have received horrified cries of "but that's so unladylike!!" followed by swooning elderly female relatives.

Plan for tonight: circuits, then fish & chips, then (or maybe gin). I'm celebrating because I'm not back in the office until 3 Sept (and my laptop is safely locked up at work).

Right - off to catch up with what I missed today. It looms like the Pub had been quite busy.

Looks (not looms - my phone seems to have a life of its own).

I try not to swear very much. I'm a teacher so it's very much frowned upon to swear at work. As a result I rarely swear at home either because I don't want it to become a habit and swear at 9y4 , or even worse, 7x1, they would be horrified! I'm sure they've all heard plenty of swearing but teachers don't swear.

Have a nice holiday Oubliette. I love last day of term, you've got your whole holiday in front of you, brilliant.

We've just had fish and chips and calamari and scampi! With wasabi mayonnaise.

Thanks Dragonlette - I'm really looking forward to having a break (and re-visiting some Dorothy L Sayers books).

Have a great time.

As a teacher I've learnt to curb the swearing. Then dds first word after mama and dada was bollocks, said clearly and appropriately. She was a child with speech delay btw. So I stopped swearing at home so much. Which pretty much means that I don't swear, as I'm almost always at work or with dd, or both.

But then I'm a middle class middle aged mumsie stereotype in the outside, with a revolutionary fucking internal monologue.

I'm going to have a little wibble on here, if I may. I'm getting late-night blues about getting divorced. Ridiculous as it sounds (and it does ... looking back I really cannot believe this), the last time I was single for longer than a couple of weeks I was 21 and a student. For that year, I had really horrible depression and used to sleep until about midday, sit in my room on my own panicking, go to the bar and self-medicate and then sleep again. It was, er, less than healthy and I have (obviously) learnt a lot about coping with depression as well as about how much easier it is when you push yourself to socialise.

However, my lasting memory of that time is being horribly lonely, and I'm trying to remind myself the same thing won't happen again. It doesn't feel terribly feministy as I broadly agree with what people say, that it's very healthy to learn to live on your own and so on. Himself is currently away from our shared house on a holiday - we've been in separate rooms but not particularly standoffish - and I'm getting really miserable about all the companionable stuff that I am going to miss, even though it's absolutely the right decision. It's not helping that, for one reason and another, several friends have moved away all at once, and my parents, who're bonkers at the best of times, reacted badly to the divorce news and so aren't currently in contact with me.

Sorry to moan on the pub ... I just wanted to write it down, really, so you lot can come along and maybe tell me how exciting it's going to be and how much of a better feminist I'll feel for getting my own place.

It will be exciting! You're moving to a fabulous place to do a job I am sure you'll excel at. You'll be in a place where everyone will be in the same boat for a while, which is a great opportunity to make new connections.

You've never had the opportunity to live on your own as an adult, so this time will be a voyage of discovery for you. You will learn so much about yourself and then be able to work out what you really want from any future relationships.

I have some feminist Pom poms in a box somewhere, when I've finally got the keys to my house, I'll be waving them madly for you.

You will be fine.

Thanks capt.

I'll look forward the the feminist poems.

I do know I'll be fine ... it's just the wobbling ... so I appreciate the vote of confidence.

It us probably harder being in the old house before you leave as you're at the leaving and sad goodbye stage. Once you move you'll be at the fresh new beginnings stage which is always better. Spend some time planning or looking at new things you'll do. Google clubs and activities you might want to take part in.

And have some chocolate, gun or whatever you fancy.