This is fucking disgraceful (Daily Mail)

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Daily Mail is framing a teenage girl as being at the root of the Santa Barbara shootings, because she 'teased' the perpetrator (according to his 'manifesto'). They have posted pictures of her (with her face pixelated, some concession), in varying states of undress, of course (bikinis, short shorts, things that best fit the narrative).

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2639555/Meet-model-named-Santa-Barbara-killer-reason-saw-women-mean-cruel-heartless-creatures.html

I loathe them already, but this has shocked me. The poor girl. How can they get away with this?

I don't think his manifesto should be published. I don't think he should be given any attention at all. I certainly don't want to know about him.

Would he have done this if he wasn't assured of worldwide notoriety for it? I wonder.

Yes, publicise the crimes, publicise the victims, but DO NOT publicise these inadequate little fuckers. It's WHY THEY DO IT.

(As a child, I was bullied. I fantasised about killing my bullies because it comforted me. I didn't do it because I am not a terrible person and I understand the value of life.)

He wasn't bullied.

He just wasn't permitted to stick his cock into a woman's body.

Which of course, he was entitled to do.

And of course he was entitled to hate women and dehumanise them with hate-speak (slut) when they didn't deliver the entitlement.

I don't think his manifesto should be published. I don't think he should be given any attention at all. I certainly don't want to know about him.

Agreed. I haven't read the manifesto, I won't waste my energy on it.

Let's stop giving that pile of Hate Speech the level of respect that the word "manifesto" engenders.

Fucking DM Not surprised though I remember a domestic violence/murder case where they trawled the victims Facebook page looking to see what she could have done to "provoke" him.

Also agree with a PP about them using the Philpott case to scapegoat poor people.

BASTARDS

This has very little to do with ASD.

It has everything to do with NPD.

SOmebody said earlier, 'huh so who diagnosed him with NPD' but people don't receive dx of npd, because that doesn't require learning support. and narcissists don't go looking for help, because every body ELSE is the problem. (so, tick).

This mass murderer is the man that wrote:

"Women should not have the right to choose who to mate and breed with. That decision should be made for them by rational men of intelligence . . . Women have more power in human society than they deserve, all because of sex. There is no creature more evil and depraved than the human female."

How can anyone even begin to defend this man, or this sort of media reporting? He didn't think women were even human, intelligent or capable of making the most basic choices about their own sexual partners.

So, now the DM find a woman to blame. Of course.

There have been quite a few men who have come onto MN to tell us that women have too much power and that they don't have to work as hard as men to get a relationship. There is one doing it right now on another thread

This shit is endemic and it stinks

It's not us, it's the problem of a twisted young man who thought that he deserved an attractive blonde girlfriend and the attention of women because he was a 'nice guy'

And why did he think he deserved that? Because society told him he did. A society where porn is in abundance, where sex is used to sell everything, where every woman is seen as an object to be owned, to be deserved & to be criticised for what she does/doesn't do.

I.e, too many partners = slut. Not "sexy" enough = rigid! Where men are congratulated on their conquests & feel lacking if they get to the age of 22, still a virgin.

Yes, he did a terrible terrible thing & it is solely his fault. NO, she is not to blame for his expectations & his lack of being able to achieve them. Regardless of how she treated him.

But we are missing a point here, the point that this guys expectations were fuelled by a society That peddles out images of "ready made" sexual objects. His generation is one of the first to grow up with free/easy access to the internet, to grow up surrounded by sexual imagery & the expectation that sex is there for the taking, by anyone & everyone.

I believe this goes some way to fuel his unrealistic expectations. The thing the bothered me is that a lot of comments I have read, ask 'why didn't he just pay for it [sex]' thus continuing to fuel the misogynistic attitude that caused this in the first place.

Exactly, WhentheRed. There is ultimately no sense in the article of her right to her own life, free of this man, either alive or dead. She's just fodder.

Look at any other serial killer in recent times who spouted hatred. Have the Daily Mail ran a "Meet the middle class white man that evil serial killer didn't like and blamed for his killing spree" Followed by lots of photos of said chap in his shorts.

Nope, of course they didn't.

The Daily Mail, on some level, agrees that there must be a woman to blame. Isn't there always? If it wasn't for that pesky Eve we would all be still in paradise.

SpittinFevvers

So are you happy for your dear son to become a mass murderer then? For him to kill half a dozen people who had not part in him being teased?

In fact are you encouraging him to think all women deserve to e murdered because one person teased him?

Speaking as someone who was bullied to the point of being suicidal by the age of 14, and as someone who never even had a boyfriend in school, because none of them ever asked me out - I do not, and never have even dreamt of using this as the justification for going on a killing spree.

I would not use violence on the boys who bullied me - would I like to meet them, and confront them with the reality of the harm they did? Hell, yes! I would love to tell them how much pain, and ongoing damage they caused. But nothing they did would be justification to use violence against them or against anyone else.

SpittinFevvers - it was boys who bullied me so badly for 5 years that I am still suffering mental health problems almost 33 years later - but does that make it OK for me to say that ALL boys (including yours) are, therefore, bullies? No, it doesn't. I am female, I was a girl at school - I didn't bully anyone. Yes, some PEOPLE are cruel, heartless bullies, who cause huge amounts of pain and damage to others - but it is not gender-specific, and it is stupid to say, or to imply, that it is.

If you've ever tried to stop an autistic teenager from flattening someone, you'd know where I was coming from.

You say flattering, some might say unwanted harassment? Was she bullying him or not wanting the "flattery"?

OH and it sounds like I was about as popular as STDG in high school, and a virgin long after what is socially acceptable.

The difference is I didn't blame men for not fucking me, I blamed myself for not being "good enough".

The daily Mail and anyone who does the same are fucked up if they choose to divert blame from the person who held the gun... Fucked up.

Some people need to listen to themselves.

what kind of right mind would choose to pass blame from the person who held the gun/wrote a 'manifesto'/threatened to kill his own sibling/professed to hate all women and so on, onto a person who was a child during the time he speaks about.

Really?

Who would do this and defend the killer?

"You say flattering, some might say unwanted harassment? Was she bullying him or not wanting the "flattery"?"

she said Flattening didn't she?

Not sure if someone has pointed it out but her photo (non pixilated, bikini top) was printed in the telegraph today. I thought that was quite shitty.

SO she did

ignore me, it's been a long night

' I understand he was denied sex with beautiful young girls. Is that what constitutes "bullying" in ManPleasing World ?'

A poster on another (mainstream showbiz type) forum I am discussing this on actually did suggest this in the form of saying 'his peers not talking to him' (ie girls) was bullying. This person went onto say that if a woman is being spoken to by a man in the street and doesnt want his attention, she should make things up to him rather than end the conversation in any way possible because it would hurt his ego.

Some people think utterly backwardly.

Blimey.

It's like feminism never happened.

Women arguing that they have no right to go about their business without pandering to unwelcome intrusion by men?

Blimey.

Yes, honey, that person is definitely living in La La Land ManPleasing World

It's a very scary place.

we're not allowed to just end conversations and go on with our day? We have to take responsibility for other people's actions now?

I'm all for being kind and we all know that it's nice to be nice. But that logic has me completely flummoxed,

My washing softener looks like Angel Delight.