This is fucking disgraceful (Daily Mail)

[rootypig]

Daily Mail is framing a teenage girl as being at the root of the Santa Barbara shootings, because she 'teased' the perpetrator (according to his 'manifesto'). They have posted pictures of her (with her face pixelated, some concession), in varying states of undress, of course (bikinis, short shorts, things that best fit the narrative).

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2639555/Meet-model-named-Santa-Barbara-killer-reason-saw-women-mean-cruel-heartless-creatures.html

I loathe them already, but this has shocked me. The poor girl. How can they get away with this?

[SuburbanRhonda]

I'm NOT taking his side Ryvita - I'm just saying how these things can happen.

she deserves every fucking nasty thing that happens to her.

Your attitude is how things happen, spittin. You need some help to manage your feelings about this.

[MmeLindor]

Just one detail, that is not being discussed in the mainstream press. He talked about setting up concentration camps for women, where they would only be allowed to live in order to breed.

This isn't someone who had a nasty girlfriend in his past.

[rootypig]

Interesting posts catfromjapan, I would agree, it is a hate crime, and I am constantly at a loss as to why the hate that is directed at women is not categorised as such, as it is for other groups (sexual and gender identity, religion, race). What I've come up with is that it is still broadly accepted that there are differences between men and women, and it is valid to discriminate on those grounds. From the most widely practised and ostensibly innocuous gendering, like little girls' and little boys' clothes, to sexism, eg thinking women are 'suited' to the caring professions and drudgery. That, I think, spills over into this, misogyny, hate, rage against a class of people, humiliating and shaming them in certain ways that distinguish them.

Spittin, that is what is alarming about your posts, you talk not just about the particular girl, but girls. Do you have a daughter, as well as a son?

[Nancy66]

If you read his 'manifesto' it wasn't just that he wanted any woman to sleep with him - he only wanted beautiful, thin, white, blonde women. So presumably if a more ordinary looking girl or a non white one had shown interest in him he wouldn't have wanted to know anyhow.

[LumpySpacedPrincess]

The huge problem roootypig is that so many women are complicit in the spread of misogyny.

[thecatfromjapan]

This is the thread in the Feminism section. I found it very helpful.

I don't know about any of you, but I was actually quite traumatised by this. I realised that I damped down the trauma (we have to, I think) but I found reading the thread was good for acknowledging the fact of woman-hate being out there, in the world, whilst simultaneously shoring me up so that I can get out there, and get on with things.

I'm old enough to remember the Toronto shootings, too.

But the thing about stuff like this is that it always brings back the attacks I was subject to as a young woman simply because I was a woman, and a group of men just wanted to attack a woman, any woman because she was a woman, and they were angry.

Anyway, poor girl. The Daily Mail may tell themselves they are just reporting, but there is a point where you are not just reproducing but actually perpetuating. This is perpetuating. And i can't help but feel that some of her future has been stolen from her now.

[SpittinFevvers]

one-time bullying episode

Put 'sustained' instead of 'one-time'.

Lumpy - where have I EVER said I 'blame all girls'. Please show me.

[thecatfromjapan]

Yes, rootypig, I am resigned to the fact these things aren't called what they should be. And I am even perpetually interested in the lengths "we" seem to go to to not name them for what they are.

[rootypig]

Yes, Lumpy, but while I would always call a woman out on her misogyny, as I'm trying to here, the problem is still overwhelmingly men and male attitudes.

[rootypig]

Anyway I am making a complaint to the PCC about this article, though I hardly live in hope it will have any effect, I feel I must use the established channels to register my disgust.

If anyone would like to follow suit, you can do it here www.pcc.org.uk/complaints/makingacomplaint.html

[rootypig]

I think the article violates the code article 3 (privacy), 6 (children), 9 (reporting a crime) and 12 (discrimination).

www.pcc.org.uk/cop/practice.html

[AnyFucker]

SF, the correct thing to do when realising you are digging an ever-deeper hole, is to put the spade down

[SpittinFevvers]

Well, AF, you can't make some people see things no matter how hard you try. Daily Mail haters especially.

[thecatfromjapan]

I guess I'll join you in that, rootypig. Many thanks for making it easier by looking up the relevant sections.

[MmeLindor]

Spittin
I meant bullying from one person - and I don't mean to belittle your son's suffering by saying that.

Be honest. Wouldn't you be horrified if your son wrote that he dreamed of putting women in a concentration camp and watching them starve?

[thecatfromjapan]

I think "DailyMail Haterz" would be a T-shirt i'd be happy to own.

[Nancy66]

it doesn't violate any of those points in the code.

[Itsfab]

"But WHY did he hate women? That's why I joined in - to show you HOW it can happen."

So if your son killed half a dozen women that would be fine as it was justified because one woman was unkind to him?

[LumpySpacedPrincess]

Spittin, you don't say outright that you hate all girls but you have shown in your comments that you do have a problem with women. What your son went through was awful and it has obviously taken its toll on you.

This is a thread about a nasty piece of misogynistic journalism and your first contribution showed that you are transferring your anger towards an individual who hurt your son onto someone else, purely because they are a girl.

[EffectiveCommunication]

I am sure her face was visable earlier. I didn't read the article, glad I didn't now.

[rootypig]

Nancy - you think it doesn't. I do.

[Itsfab]

The Mail might not be blaming the woman but their "Meet the girl who...." head line is disgusting. Ooo, look at the girl who drove a boy to kill .

[TereseaGreen]

"Daily mail haters" I'm going to rebrand them " the enlightened".

The individual who committed these hideous crimes has committed a hate crime. If this person had committed crimes against old people do you think there would have been provocative images of the elderly to accompany the "article"? No. This is what makes the "reporting" so hideous.

Disgusting, mysongisitic reporting which is nothing more than an excuse to berate women and post images of an attractive young woman in various states of undress. Titilation for the masses eh? I doubt none of the families who have suffered such a tremendous loss will be looking to blame this girl. The finger needs to remain pointed at the perpetrator. No matter how unappealing the profile is.

[Nancy66]

it doesn't matter what you think rooty - it's not down to individual interpretation.

[CaptChaos]

The DM hates people with disabilities as well, so quite why you're defending it now is beyond me, SF. My DS also has ASD, was also institutionally bullied, also with police involved. You have to move on and model having a PMA, holding as much anger and hatred as you do is not healthy for you, the object of your hate couldn't give a shit about it.

The killer killed because he was a misogynist and a racist. Quite a chunk of his manifesto talks about white girls preferring 'dirty' black men over him. Concentration camps for women.

His is the end game for male entitlement, it has nothing to do with bullying, teasing or any other thing that any woman or child has done to him. He believed he was owed sex, and when he didn't get it, he decided to punish the world.