This is fucking disgraceful (Daily Mail)

[rootypig]

Daily Mail is framing a teenage girl as being at the root of the Santa Barbara shootings, because she 'teased' the perpetrator (according to his 'manifesto'). They have posted pictures of her (with her face pixelated, some concession), in varying states of undress, of course (bikinis, short shorts, things that best fit the narrative).

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2639555/Meet-model-named-Santa-Barbara-killer-reason-saw-women-mean-cruel-heartless-creatures.html

I loathe them already, but this has shocked me. The poor girl. How can they get away with this?

[FamiliesShareGerms]

Good grief.

So all the men I have turned down might one day blame me for their psychopathic tendencies?

(Note - there aren't that many, but frankly even one bloke I didn't sleep with blaming me some years later for being a murderer would be one too many)

I hate the Daily Mail

[MarshaBrady]

I agree the people that do these terrible things are given too much news time. It's a reward they shouldn't get.

[scallopsrgreat]

Yes Marsha I agree. Gavin de Becker in the Gift of Fear talks a lot about the language used by media and police with regards these crimes too and how as a result these crimes can be seen as attractive to others so inclined.

[almondcakes]

She was TEN.

It is beyond ridiculous.

[MarshaBrady]

Sounds interesting Scallops, yes to the language. Manifesto for sure.

[MarshaBrady]

Manifesto being a prime example that is.

[vosuji]

That's interesting.

What softener do you all use?

[LoveSardines]

What almondcakes said.

So a national newspaper is blaming a 10yo child, for a grown man going out and shooting loads of people dead.

It is total WTFsville isn't it.

DM are total fuckers.

[PacificDogwood]

I don't use any softer at all

The DM is worse than dangerous - it is amoral, pandering to the cheap buck at all cost, cynical drivel. That sadly seems to have a huge market.
I sometimes despair at humankind having got as far as it has when its ability to look beyond the headline is clearly a bit limited at times.
Then again, look at the result of recent elections and critical thinking seems to be a thin on the ground in other respects too…

Anyhoo, I digress, softeners, they can be bad for your skin, dontcha know.

The victims of this most recent shooting deserve nothing but our sympathy and respect (and that includes those who loved the shooter). It might be interesting to 'study' the shooter to learn how to spot his kind earlier.
How on earth the 'right to bear arms' in an constitutional amendment that was designed to allow a new country to raise an army without the say-so of a monarch translated into 'everybody and their dog has a right to owning an arsenal of weapons' I will never understand. That the gun lobby have a huge interesting in keeping it like that is easier to understand.

And wrt to how horrible some girls can be: I presume they can be just as horrible as some boys, non?
How many mass shootings have been carried out by young, disenfranchised females because they felt rejected by somebody they fancied?
I'd really like to know…

I peg my washing out the garden for that softener smell btw. Oh wait, softeners I trying to mimic the smell I get from pegging out the washing in my garden

[munkysea]

Apparently if you read his ramblings, the girl (use that word because she was a child when it happened) barely spoke to him. Apparently he doesn't even state what she did that made him have that reaction, just that she was 'mean' to him.

So, off the back of a child of 10 saying something a bit mean or disparaging, this boy developed a hatred and didn't grow out of it and decided that women (and the men who were more likely to attract them) deserved to be killed. And the media is portraying this young woman as having a role in it. Unbelievable.

I don't think I can articulated how angry this whole affair makes me. This entitled brat took other peoples' lives because he couldn't control women's bodies. He didn't want friendship, he didn't want a relationship, he told himself that he deserved women's bodies and that they should come running to him, and he hated them for not doing this.

[LumpySpacedPrincess]

It does make you so angry doesn't it murky. The hatred that some of the media show towards women, the casual sexism, the entitled arrogant behaviour of swathes of males across the internet Make. Me. Sick.

If you are on twitter have a look at the #YesAllWomen hashtag.

Not that it will do anything but I have complained about the article.

[BillnTedsMostFeministAdventure]

Softener is a waste of money.

PBPs are a waste of time.

The silver birch is a pretty tree.

Spot the non sequitur.

[nicename]

He murdered his 3 (male) dorm mates too - planned it and knifed them. This isn't someone snapping. This is a carefully planned out scheme which mustve taken a long time to put together.

He wrote his ramblings so that... Why exactly? Who knows what was going on in that head. His therapist obviously didn't. He was seeing therapists from childhood? And what exectly was their diagnosis/'help'?

Gun culture, egocentric entitlement culture, sexist culture, blame the victim and not the criminal culture, and a 'therapy and self help' culture. What a bloody mess.

[AskBasil]

Apparently he was going to carry out this attack last Autumn but he broke his arm or leg or something so he had to put it off.

It really wasn't someone snapping, you're quite right.

[MissBlake]

I agree nicename,

I am disgusted that anyone could make excuses for him, the man killed multiple people but we still have people trying to blame bullying ect? Surely its dangerous that this stuff keeps being pumped into the (tiny) minds of mail readers. When will they take some responsibility for their articles?

I can't believe a newspaper would publish an article blaming a woman who knew the man when she was 10. She must be feeling dreadful but the mail has decided she deserves it because she knew this man in childhood. Are they blaming he for not giving him what he "needed" at the time?

Yes, it must be a women's fault that this man was pushed over the edge. It is totally crazy to expect him to take responsibility.

[nicename]

She had been tried and convicted by some already. Her life is pretty much ruined atm. But then she will probably write a book, go on daytime telly, be a telly sleb... Such is life with todays media.

I can't get my head around how someone who has been identified as having issues from childhood and been seeing professionals could plan and execute this. Would this have happened if his family had stayed in the UK - I feel quite probably not (I know we've had our outrages here too).

[22honey]

'How many mass shootings have been carried out by young, disenfranchised females because they felt rejected by somebody they fancied?'

Has anyone actually done this before because they couldn't get a partner/sex? If so that is rather worrying. Why is it such a massive deal to some people? Being single is rather relaxing and fun.

[22honey]

'Yes, it must be a women's fault that this man was pushed over the edge.'

This is a widely held belief I must say. Anytime a man does something bad or wrong, there is a large vocal minority of people insisting there must be a woman behind it somewhere. It does seem certain people like to just blame women for everything.

[PacificDogwood]

Good point, 22honey

[RyvitaBerry]

and the french still say 'cherchez la femme' whenever there's a barney.

[rootypig]

Response from the PCC

Dear Ms X

Thank you for contacting the Press Complaints Commission.

The concerns you have raised relate directly to the unnamed individual, the subject of the story. Given the nature of the story, it appears that it would be difficult for the Commission to investigate or understand this matter fully without their involvement. In addition, the outcome of a Commission investigation (whether correction, apology or adjudication, for example) would need their approval. In such circumstances, we would generally require a complaint from the unnamed individual or their representative, in order to take the matter forward.

If you believe, however, that there are exceptional public interest reasons for the Commission to proceed with an independent complaint under the circumstances, we would be grateful to hear from you in the next seven days.

[Nancy66]

The PCC cease operating at the end of the month though

[rootypig]

Ah yes, after which we will all disappear into the sucking hole in the fabric of the universe

Or.... IPSO will take over all existing complaints and the press will still do what it likes